Bush Middle East Speech Discussion Thread

[RCW2001]

Bush Middle East Speech Discussion Thread

[Neets]

Some of us have been watching with great sadness the tactics of the Clintonistas being used by supporters of President Bush on FR on this thread and others over the past year or so.

Who are SOME of us??? Where any of these SOME of us in DC in April when we Freeped the Pro-Pali's and the IAC???

If this is sooo sad and painful why do you keep coming back to be sadened even further??? You could always start your own forum.

[PhiKapMom]

I remember back during the build-up to the convention and naming of a VP, there was thread after thread saying he was going to name a pro-choice candidate and no one would believe some of us that the person would be pro-life.

That is how he operated in Texas also. He will do the right thing time after time!

[Wild Irish Rogue]

I missed Colonel North's remarks-where and when?

[Diddle E. Squat]

Well stated.

[PhiKapMom]

Wonder if Rush is going to even bother to read the speech or look to the NY Times instead! I won't know because I refuse to listen to him again!

[denydenydeny]

Well Rushie has his show topic for tommorrow.

Finally a big laugh on this thread! You are probably right that RL will allude to this at some point.

But the thing is that Rush has always joked about the "Freepers" as the far-right fringe who have attacked "mainstream" conservatism as represented by him. But who's mainstream now?

[Amelia]

I think the problem is that Bush isn't Keyes.

[wcdukenfield]

I thought conservatives had principles? I thought we believed in and fought for things? How can we automatically support the administration, especially when it is seriously misguided and acting in a way we know to be against our principles, and call ourselves principled conservatives?

Bush is wrong on Israel and the PA, and we shouldn't be afraid to say so just because he's a Republican. Isn't that what Clinton's automatons did?

[marajade]

"I think the problem is that Bush isn't Keyes."

Oh okay, I thought I missed something...

Oh about Bush not being Keyes, all I can say is thank you Jesus...

[section9]

Having missed the bar fight that included Mark, "The Great One", Levin, allow me to give you my take on the events of the day.

Any progress towards Palestinian independence must, of needs be, lead to an abolition of the results of the Rabat Summit of 1974. Up to Rabat, King Hussein of Jordan was considered the legitimate ruler of the Palestinians on the West Bank.

The Palestinian cause had become wildly popular in the wake of the Arab defeat of October, 1973, and the cease-fire that followed it. The Saudis, no friends of the Hashemite Dynasty in Amman, engineered an agreement by which Hussein would declare that he had no interest in the West Bank and that the Arab League would declare that Yasir Arafat's PLO was the sole, legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

This was also payback for the ruthless suppression of the Palestinian uprising against the Hashemite Crown in September of 1970.

Hussein was humiliated, and intentionally so. And his son, Abdullah, remembers. Of that, I am sure. So we will have some help on this score from the young King.

Bush, Powell, and Rice have decided to declare Rabat null and void, without saying it in so many words. They have engineered an environment in which Arafat is persona non grata. This is not only a reflection of American and Israeli opinion, but is also represents the beliefs of many Arab leaders who have had their experiences of betrayal at the hands of Arafat and his minions.

Bush has set extremely high standards for the Palestinians to meet. For instance, he acknowledges Israel's right to defend itself and her people. He has stated that talks should not begin in an atmosphere of terror. This is the Israeli position.

I don't understand some of the wailings of the Bush bashers here, and I am even somewhat mystified as to the criticisms of our friend, "holdonnow". How and ever, I believe that Bush has helped himself and our position in the Middle East enormously.

For the real issue on the table was, is, and remains Mr. Congeniality in Baghdad. I see no signs of Bush backing off from that objective. Once Saddam is history, the anchor regime of the Rejectionist Front states is consigned to the memory of man. Things will then be executed on our terms, and on our timetable. And if one doesn't believe me, one hasn't been looking at what is going on in Damascus.

Damascus has been extremely cooperative of late. They bagged an Al Qaeda biggie as he was passing through Damascus and are holding him incommunicado. In addition, the Boy President in Damascus understands what is coming, at long last, and has decided to play ball with us. That is all to the good. As Bismarck pointed out, politics is the art of the possible.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[LarryLied]

I'm beginning to think Bush and America simply can't win. We have two large, well financed voting blocks, Jews and Muslims, who are bringing their mideast conflict to American voting booths.Both are jockeying to see which party will get their money and votes. While both are small minorities, they have the power to swing elections. So they will be courted more than the rest of us who both parties can more or less take for granted.

Did you see this thread?

Bush's Palestinian Plan Questioned (Lieberman wants more Palestinians in US)

[EternalVigilance]

Some of us have been watching with great sadness the tactics of the Clintonistas being used by supporters of President Bush on FR on this thread and others over the past year or so.

I'm with you Kristinn.

It is the politics of personal destruction in spades. They claim it is to deal with the '2%'ers...but they are in fact burning down the house while claiming to be trying to drive out the bats.

I still am studying the President's speech, both in print and on video, and am not sure where I will fall in the spectrum in terms of what I think about where the policy is, and where it might be headed.

But as I'm thinking it through, and reading the reponses of thinking people both here and elsewhere...let's see, should I listen to the "Freeper Bush Response Team" , or people like Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Alan Keyes, etc??

It's not much of a choice for me, since most of the posts here tonight haven't accomplished anything in terms of convincing me about anything. They have been too busy trashing a good man, Mark Levin.

My apologies to those who have posted thoughtful comments here about the current issues...I am certainly taking those comments to heart in forming my personal opinions.

EV

[PhiKapMom]

I'm really disappointed and will not look upon Mark with the same respect I once had.

So am I! He now joins Rush and Hannity who I used to admire! They don't even research and read the actual words before opening their mouths on almost anything the President does now.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

Rushie will claim that he and he alone, is responsible for Bush's speech-that his show pressured GW into becoming a hawk on Israel and throwing Powell overboard. Oh and some golf talk and maybe toe fungus and dolphin news and restless leg syndrome.

[marajade]

"Bush is wrong on Israel and the PA ...

Really, how so?

[EternalVigilance]

RE your post #1030...

Very well thought out, and very well said.

Thank you.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I don't have the time to go back into the threads, so if this has been previously mentioned,I beg your indulgence. Tonight,on the Chris Matthews show-(which I tuned in,just to see Matthews blow a gasket),the guest host was interviewing Howard Fineman. Howard Fineman said there was no other way to describe the speech,but "Reaganesque". I think this was a speech for the ages and another one, that will define Bush's presidency.

I heard that also, guest host was Mike Barnacle of Boston Globe fame I think)!

I was rather surprised to hear Fineman say what he did!

[wcdukenfield]

Rush is far and away the most intelligent, articulate voice for conservatives in the country today.

And God help our movement if it ever changes and people like you become our standard bearers.

[oldvike]

EXCELLENT post.

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for the link! Lieberman is unbelieveable!