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Know The Enemy (And What He Believes)[BRILLIANT David Horowitz Article]
FrontPage Magazine ^ | June 24, 2002 | David Horowitz

Posted on 06/24/2002 8:12:31 AM PDT by Edward Watson

THE WAR WE HAVE joined is defined by three simple but brutal facts. Our enemy is able to penetrate our borders and strike us in our homes; he can strike us with weapons of mass destruction; and he has made clear his intention is not to change our policies or to force our withdrawal, but to obliterate us and destroy our civilization. Because of these facts, the imperative of defending ourselves as quickly and effectively as possible is more important in this war – by a factor so great as to be impossible to calculate -- than any we have ever fought.

In all wars the first essential is to know your enemy. Everything you can do to thwart his objectives or to protect your life and the lives of your countrymen depends on this knowledge. But if the war is a war of terror, in which stealth warriors target civilians, the importance of this knowledge is even greater still –again by a factor so large as to be impossible to calculate.

Who, then, is the enemy that has struck us and who threatens our destruction? Officially he has been defined in terms that invoke "terror" and "evil," that are generic and that really describe the means by which he has chosen to fight the war, and not why he is fighting or how we have become his enemy. They do not tell us who he is. This failure to name our enemy is already a source of great weakness in erecting our defenses. This ignorance is the most pressing danger to us, after the threat itself. Already, in attempting to establish security perimeters at our borders, and in our airports and harbors, we have denied ourselves the ability to target the specific groups who have targeted us. The policy that will not identify the enemy by name is a policy that asks us to fight in the dark. Yet every terrorist who slips through these nets is capable of killing tens of thousands of innocent Americans.

Yet, we already know who our enemy is, no matter how many choose to deny it. Almost a year has passed since the attacks on Wall Street and the Pentagon -- the twin symbols of American wealth and power. We have seen the face of the enemy, even if we are still reluctant to name him.

We are at war with radical Islam (not all of Islam but with Islamic radicals). And we are – or should be – at war with their allies, the international radical left. Both see us as the embodiment of evil – racism, oppression, on the one hand, and the frustrations of Islamic societies on the other. Both, therefore, seek our destruction.

The publication of a new al-Qaeda manifesto, translated by the Middle East Research Institute (MEMRI) makes its agendas abundantly clear. The statement called, "Why We Fight America," and was issued by al-Qaeda spokesman, Suleiman Abu Gheith and appeared on an al-Qaeda website hosted by Center for Islamic Research and Studies.

The al-Qaeda statement begins by asking why the world is surprised by what happened on 9/11 – pretty much the question that Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, Edward Said, Barbara Kingsolver, Arundhati Roy and sundry professors at anti-American rallies on college campuses across the country asked within weeks of the horrific attack. And the answer is pretty much the same for both as well:

"What happened to America [on 9/11] is something natural, an expected event for a country that uses terror, arrogant policy, and suppression against the nations and the peoples, and imposes a single method, thought, and way of life, as if the people of the entire world are clerks in its government offices and employed by its commercial companies and institutions."

Anyone who was surprised by 9/11, the al-Qaeda statement continues, does not understand the root causes of the attack and in particular "the effects of oppression and tyranny on [the victims’] emotions and feelings." Instead, such people must think, "that oppression begets surrender, that repression begets silence, that tyranny leaves only humiliation."

In fact, according to al-Qaeda, humiliation, deprivation and oppression inspire righteous rage against the oppressor. And this righteous indignation is what al-Qaeda’s war is about. Of course, unlike the Western left, al-Qaeda does not wage its war in the name of an international proletariat and its goal is not a secular socialist utopia. Al-Qaeda’s war is about the future world reign of Islam. The al-Qaeda statement asks: How can a Muslim accept humiliation and inferiority "when he knows that his nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice? … When he knows that the [divine] rule is that the entire earth must be subject to the religion of Allah – not to the East, not to the West – to no ideology and to no path except the path of Allah?…"

Credulous apostles of appeasement in the West like Ted Turner and Cherie Blair (wife of British Prime Minister Tony Blair) are so superior in their own minds to the Muslims who hate them that they don’t consider the possibility that the Islamic faithful could actually mean what they say. Justifying Arafat’s suicide brigades, Blair said, "As long as young people feel they have got no hope but to blow themselves up you are never going to make progress." This is an inanity heard nightly on cable talk shows from the left. It is the propaganda line of Machiavellian spokesmen for the terrorist cause like PLO spokesman Abudl Rachman and westernized apologists like Hussein Ibish who equate the terrorists’ terror with the victims’ response. But it ignores what the combatants say about themselves and their inspiration, and patronizes them in the process.

The Middle East Research Institute has also translated an interview given to the Arab press by a mother of a suicide bomber, who has nothing to say about root causes like poverty, or thwarted national desires or "social injustice." (Indeed when the al-Qaeda spokesman speaks of his "nation" he clearly means the entire world of Islam, and not any particular state whether Afghanistan or Palestine or Saudia Arabia or Iraq.) What she says is this:

I am a compassionate mother to my children,… Because I love my son, I encouraged him to die a martyr’s death for the sake of Allah... Jihad is a religious obligation incumbent upon us, and we must carry it out. I sacrificed Muhammad as part of my obligation. This is an easy thing. There is no disagreement [among scholars] on such matters. The happiness in this world is an incomplete happiness; eternal happiness is life in the world to come, through martyrdom. Allah be praised, my son has attained this happiness... I prayed from the depths of my heart that Allah would cause the success of his operation. I asked Allah to give me 10 [Israelis] for Muhammad, and Allah granted my request and Muhammad made his dream come true, killing 10 Israeli settlers and soldiers. Our God honored him even more, in that there were many Israelis wounded. When the operation was over, the media broadcast the news. Then Muhammad's brother came to me and informed me of his martyrdom. I began to cry, ‘Allah is the greatest,’ and prayed and thanked Allah for the success of the operation. I began to utter cries of joy and we declared that we were happy. The young people began to fire into the air out of joy over the success of the operation, as this is what we had hoped for him.

The will to genocide is not specific to the martyrs who blow up little children, but is shared by the community of radical Islam. It comes not from despair, but from a hope of heaven – from extending the territory of Islam and doing Allah’s will. Nothing could be more obvious to anyone paying attention. That is, to anyone paying attention without the screen of liberal arrogance, which denies what it has seen in order to explain it. And thereby understand it. And thereby surrender to it.

The hope for heaven – or for the global reign of Islam as the path to heaven -- is generically the same fanatical inspiration that caused believers in socialism (a heaven on earth) to kill tens of millions of innocent unbelievers during the 20th Century. It is the same faith that causes progressive fellow travelers like Ted Turner, Barbara Kingsolver and Edward Said to support the agendas of America’s enemies. And of perverse America-haters, like Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky to support any anti-American war.

The present war against us may be about humiliation and a sense of inferiority stemming from Islam’s centuries of eclipse, but it is not about despair. The new statement from al-Qaeda is not addressed to people who have nothing. Quite the opposite It is an incitement to people who have something -- and who might be reluctant to give up what they have -- to sacrifice life itself for the glory of Islam: "As long as the Muslim knows and believes … he will not – even for a single moment -- stop trying to achieve [the universal triumph of Islam], even if it costs him his soul…his time, his property and his son, ..."

This is not a war about land in the Middle East or the structure of a Palestinian state, or a U.S. military presence in the Arabian peninsula. It is a war about redemption. In this it exactly parallels the Communist threat from the past. In the eyes of the Communists, America stood in the way of heaven – a socialist paradise in which racism, sexism, and economic inequality would vanish from the earth. In the eyes of radical Islam, America -- the Great Satan -- stands in the way of Islam’s rule, and thus of human redemption and it is for this reason America must be destroyed.

Thus, the al-Qaeda proclamation: "America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same ways … and punishes any country [that rebels against these laws] by besieging it, and then by boycotting it. By so doing [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion that is not Allah’s…"

Americans wake up! Your enemies hate you for who you are. They hate you because you are democratic, and tolerant and unbelieving. They hate you because you are Christians: "America’s standing with the Christians of the world against the Muslims has stripped the camouflague from its face." And they hate you because are Hindus and Buddhists and secularists and Jews.

This war is not a war we are facing. It is a war we are in. Americans have hardly begun to understand this, but the enemy is already keeping score: "We have not reached parity [with America’s alleged attacks on Muslims. [Therefore], we have the right to kill 4 million Americans – 2 million of them children – and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons, so as to afflict them with the fatal maladies that have afflicted Muslims because of the [Americans’] chemical and biological weapons."

Americans have also only begun to understand that if radical Islam is one face of our enemy, the other is the radical left. For two hundred years the radical left has believed in a religion promising a heaven on earth whose end justifies any means. That is why progressives like Lenin and Stalin and Pol Pot killed so many innocent people. That is why radical leftists in America and other European countries have joined in denouncing America’s war of self-defense and in abetting the Arab crusade to obliterate Israel and (in the process) exterminate the Jews of the Middle East.

How serious are some American leftists about abetting the war to destroy their own country? Attorney Lynne Stewart is a veteran of the radical left going back to the 1960s and is the lawyer for the "blind sheik" who led the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Six people were killed in the attack and 1,000 injured. Stewart is associated with the Center for Constitutional Rights and has been a supporter of Communist causes and Arab terrorists for her entire professional life. Recently, the Attorney General indicted Stewart for helping the "blind sheik," who is now in prison, to communicate with his terrorist followers in the Middle East and further their bloody agendas.

A chorus from the left has attacked Attorney General Ashcroft for infringing on the civil liberties of the imprisoned terrorist and his "lawyer." Stewart has been defended as a persecuted civil libertarian by the left-wing National Lawyers Guild, the ACLU, The Nation and other institutions of the "progressive" left.

In 1995, Lynne Stewart was interviewed by the New York Times, which reported her radical beliefs. ""Ms. Stewart suggested that violence and revolution were sometimes necessary to right the economic and racial wrongs of America’s capitalist system." Among other things, Lynne Stewart said this: "I don’t believe in anarchistic violence, but in directed violence. That would be violence directed at the institutions which perpetuate capitalism, racism, and sexism, and the people who are the appointed guardians of those institutions, and accompanied by popular support."

The World Trade Center is an institution which perpetuates capitalism and -- in the eyes of the left -- racism and sexism as well. According to every leftist – from the Nation magazine to the Chomsky fifth column (the distance is not great) --, America is a land of capitalism, racism and sexism, and the enforcer of capitalism, racism and sexism globally. This is the world that the Islamicists call Dar Al-Harb: The world of darkness. The world that is not socialist (for the leftist believers) and that is not Islam (for the faithful). According to Lynne Stewart and the al-Qaeda spokesman, the people who dwell in Dar Al-Harb and support its profane agendas deserve to die. This is what the present "war on terror" is about. Americans better understand it sooner than later.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; clashofcivilizatio; democracy; freedom; radicalislam; radicalleft; terrorism; war; worlddomination
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To: Poohbah
Does the PLA have enough rowboats to get across the Taiwan Strait?

That's about all they would need. Seriously, they may not have the naval force, but they almost have to take the opportunity.

It is a dangerously unstable world we are in. While modern states may have eschewed the incestuous royal relationships that led to WWI, they are certainly beset by entangled economic and political alliances. A spark in any of a dozen hot spots could result in a global immolation. Heck, half of FR is ready to nuke five or six nations into oblivion because they are of a different religion!

61 posted on 06/24/2002 11:57:39 AM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
That's about all they would need.

The Taiwan Strait is 100 miles wide. That's a LONG way to row...

Seriously, they may not have the naval force, but they almost have to take the opportunity.

And destroy a large chunk of the PLA's ability to project power outside of China to no gain.

Incidentally, history shows that LOSING a war is a great way to trigger a military coup.

The Chinese elites are extremely risk-averse; they'd need HUGE assurances.

A spark in any of a dozen hot spots could result in a global immolation. Heck, half of FR is ready to nuke five or six nations into oblivion because they are of a different religion!

Please note that the half in question doesn't have their finger on the button.

62 posted on 06/24/2002 12:00:34 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: LRP
Per Horowitz, these lowly Arabs don't think like other sub-races . . .

Pure leftwing garbage. There isn't a racist bone in Horowitz's body. Go peddle this crap at DU.

63 posted on 06/24/2002 12:02:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Poohbah
But I didn't and don't recommend meddling, and I offer no justification either. However, I do observe, that if that should happen, it would be the best thing that could happen to those benighted souls.

To observe is neither to recommend nor to justify.

The West has the troops, the ordnance, and the power to make it happen. It does not have the will. This is a terrible danger for Muslims: Sufficient provocation could provide the people of the West with the will to make it happen.

You are right. Making the attempt would be the worst thing that could happen to the West. However, it is possible that the West could be forced to take action that would result in the overwhelming conquest of the Muslim world and ultimately the eradication of Islam.

64 posted on 06/24/2002 12:09:59 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast
The West has the troops, the ordnance, and the power to make it happen.

Ordnance, yes: troops and power, no.

We could win the battles, but the occupation would bleed us to death.

65 posted on 06/24/2002 12:12:07 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
You are making some great arguments but missing the point. Islamists attacked us and killed 3,000 people who happened to be working in the wrong office buildings. Should we feel bad for having to do the same to them? Yes. Should this stop us? No. Why? Because we have to end this quickly before they do. This enemy is playing with a new set of rules. War without the onus of responsibility waged almost solely against civilians.

As for your misguided insight to the human psyche, we bombed the Germans and Japanese into submission. We saved the French. Why would these two nations, who by your reasoning should despise us, be better allies than a nation that we have saved not once, but twice from losing their sovereignty?
66 posted on 06/24/2002 12:12:37 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: Poohbah
The Taiwan Strait is 100 miles wide.

I rode out a typhoon there in 1959 and I couldn't see land on either side even when we went up on the high waves.

Didn't get a chance to tell you during compliment weekend, but I enjoy reading your replies.

67 posted on 06/24/2002 12:19:13 PM PDT by al_possum39
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To: Allrightnow
You are making some great arguments but missing the point.

No, you are missing the point.

Islamists attacked us and killed 3,000 people who happened to be working in the wrong office buildings.

And your strategy would be to attack the people who didn't do it, and create many new Islamists. Thank God the grownups are in charge and not you.

Should we feel bad for having to do the same to them? Yes. Should this stop us? No. Why? Because we have to end this quickly before they do.

It would not end it quickly.

This enemy is playing with a new set of rules. War without the onus of responsibility waged almost solely against civilians.

And our adopting the same strategy would not accomplish our intended goals.

As for your misguided insight to the human psyche, we bombed the Germans and Japanese into submission.

We most assuredly did not. The Germans only surrendered when a GI stuffed a rifle in their face and said "Surrender or die." The Combined Bomber Offensive actually lenghthened the war. The Japanese were starved into submission by mine and submarine warfare. The only things that allowed the Japanese elites to get away with surrender were (a) the novelty of the atomic bomb and (b) a largish dose of luck.

But, as usual, you won't let inconvenient facts get in your way.

68 posted on 06/24/2002 12:21:18 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
I really miss the days when wars were settled with the sword and pike--because the folks who advocate murdering (yes, I am specifically using that term) thousands of civilians could be told "Fine, here's a sword, knock yourself out." Today, they don't have to see the consequences of what they advocate.

Hit the history books. Massacre was more common back then, although not on the industrial scale modern progressives manage.

69 posted on 06/24/2002 12:40:32 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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To: ExpandNATO
I know that massacres were common.

However, it's amazing how some folks can say "Kill them all" without even a thought as to what that entails...

70 posted on 06/24/2002 12:42:50 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Edward Watson
"The happiness in this world is an incomplete happiness; eternal happiness is life in the world to come, through martyrdom. Allah be praised, my son has attained this happiness..."

The ironic thing is this: FAITH, by definition, is a belief in an unprovable abstract concept. It is entirely possible, maybe even likely, that ALL living things (including we humans) pass into oblivion when they die. I often wonder not where we go when we die, but where we were before we were born.

That some physical part of what became me (and you, and all living things) existed prior to my birth, there is no doubt. It existed in the genes of my parents (and, for people of faith, in the power of God to create me). There is also no doubt that some physical part of me will continue to exist after I die. The energy and molecules that comprise my physical structure, and the electrical impulses my brain and body generate, will continue to exist as long as the universe exists, merely in a different form.

But either my consciousness did not exist before I was born, or I do not remember that time. Either way, to the best of my ability to know, I was in oblivion before I was born. If we come from oblivion into life, it is entirely possible that we pass back into oblivion when life ends.

71 posted on 06/24/2002 12:50:39 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Poohbah
I meant to say "that I enjoy..." in that last reply instead of "but I enjoy..."and the but was supposed to be this:

I can think of a couple of times when we may want to bomb civilians even if it does galvanize their resolve against us.

When morale at home is sagging and we need a "symbolic victory". Dolittle raid.

Also, when we want to goad the enemy into a rash attack.

I don't think we need the former yet but we might and I don't think our intelligence is good enough to benefit from the latter.

72 posted on 06/24/2002 12:50:52 PM PDT by al_possum39
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To: Poohbah
"And your strategy would be to attack the people who didn't do it, and create many new Islamists. Thank God the grownups are in charge and not you."

My strategy is more in line with equitable reciprocity.

"It would not end it quickly."

It will end much more quickly if we act now than if we act later and it is naive to think we will not have to act.

"And our adopting the same strategy would not accomplish our intended goals."

Our goal should be to let these nations know that there will be consequences for the action of minority factions that they support and allow to live amongst them. I would be interested to hear what you think our goal is.

"(a) the novelty of the atomic bomb and (b) a largish dose of luck"

I'm venturing a guess here but I don't think the "novelty" of an atomic weapon wears off that quickly. Would anyone think it was commonplace if one went off? (Gee.. what's that? Oh just one o dem H bomb things.)

And what you call luck I call the US armed forces gritting their teeth and sacrificing for a way of life they believe in.

73 posted on 06/24/2002 12:53:02 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: Allrightnow
My strategy is more in line with equitable reciprocity.

Morally repugnant acts do not meet the description of "equitable reciprocity."

It will end much more quickly if we act now than if we act later and it is naive to think we will not have to act.

This is going to be a very long war. It will not be won in a few days no matter what you do. Your refusal to countenance hard work over a long period of time is quite telling, actually.

I'm venturing a guess here but I don't think the "novelty" of an atomic weapon wears off that quickly.

Don't bother guessing.

In 1945, The Bomb was the amazing superweapon. It's now a known quantity, with known limitations on its destructive power. Familiarity breeds contempt.

And what you call luck I call the US armed forces gritting their teeth and sacrificing for a way of life they believe in.

Thank you for showing your profound ignorance of history.

On August 13th, 1945, the fire-eaters staged a coup attempt and came very close to preventing the Emperor's surrender message from being broadcast. Had they succeeded, an invasion would have been necessary to win the war--and the success of the invasion was not guaranteed by any means. The failure of the coup attempt is the "largish dose of luck" I was referring to. Americans had nothing to do with that particular event.

74 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:23 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
"Morally repugnant acts do not meet the description of "equitable reciprocity." "

The term equitable reciprocity is intentionally clinical. The neat thing about morality is that it is based on an admixture of personal and societal beliefs. What you consider "Morally repugnant" I consider to be just and necessary. If I'm going to let morality play a part in this I would probably apply it to people dying in the US before I would in Iran or Afghanistan.

Your arguments regarding WWII are amusing but once again you are not seeing the big picture. Germany is the only nation that has targeted civilians in a war and lost that war. Why? Combined allied forces were able to gain air superiority. We won in the western theater. We were able to establish air superiority over Japan as well. We won in the eastern theater. We engaged in targeting civilians in both. Both have resulted in the countries complying and coexisting with the US.

Can you think of some examples since where we targeted only military installations and had such a positive result. And by the way, I would still be interested to hear what you think our objectives should be.

75 posted on 06/24/2002 2:21:13 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: Allrightnow
The term equitable reciprocity is intentionally clinical. The neat thing about morality is that it is based on an admixture of personal and societal beliefs. What you consider "Morally repugnant" I consider to be just and necessary. If I'm going to let morality play a part in this I would probably apply it to people dying in the US before I would in Iran or Afghanistan.

Wow. You've managed to neatly rule out the idea of moral absolutes with typically liberal sophistry. Some "conservative" you are.

Your arguments regarding WWII are amusing but once again you are not seeing the big picture.

They are based on a rigorous study of history. The usual complaint of a liberal when confronted by inconvenient facts is to claim something along the lines of "you have to see the bigger picture," yada yada yada.

Germany is the only nation that has targeted civilians in a war and lost that war. Why? Combined allied forces were able to gain air superiority. We won in the western theater.

And you have once again missed the point: the Combined Bomber Offensive actually lengthened the damn war.

We were able to establish air superiority over Japan as well. We won in the eastern theater. We engaged in targeting civilians in both.

In both cases, the targeting was both immoral and counterproductive (either by merely wasting resources that could have been better employed elsewhere or by actually stiffening the enemy's will to resist).

Both have resulted in the countries complying and coexisting with the US.

Ergo hoc, propter hoc. You are mistaking chronology for causality. The fact that we bombed civilians and then won the war begs the question of whether bombing civilians produced the victory. In the ETO, this is provably false. In the PTO, the decisive effort was the destruction of Japanese overseas and intercoastal trade via the submarine and inshore mining campaigns.

By your standards of proof, if one sacrifices a dozen virgins and the harvest is bountiful, that is sufficient proof that sacrificing virgins produces a bountiful harvest.

Can you think of some examples since where we targeted only military installations and had such a positive result.

Operation Linebacker II; Operation El Dorado Canyon; Operations Desert Storm; Operation Enduring Freedom (Phase I). In each case, airpower employed against military targets produced the desired results.

And by the way, I would still be interested to hear what you think our objectives should be.

Neutralize the effectiveness of extant Islamist groups through the precise application of force, both lethal and nonlethal.

Prevent the formation of additional effective terrorist organizations (I really do not care if they form ineffective organizations; we can deal with those very easily).

Convince the larger Islamic world that jihadism is a really stupid way of relating to the West. Do not convince the Islamic world that West is trying to exterminate them.

76 posted on 06/24/2002 2:43:11 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
"Operation Linebacker II; Operation El Dorado Canyon; Operations Desert Storm; Operation Enduring Freedom (Phase I). In each case, airpower employed against military targets produced the desired results."

You are not suggesting that the outcome of the Vietnam War, our brief assault on Libya, and Desert storm ended as definitively as WWII are you? It seems to me that we beat it out of Nam, failed to take out Qadhafi, and momentarily contained Iraq. Band aid solutions that left intact everything we were trying to remove.

I appreciate you sharing your ideas with me but have some questions:

"Neutralize the effectiveness of extant Islamist groups through the precise application of force, both lethal and nonlethal."

Wouldn't we need to maintain a constant military or intelligence presence in every country in the world to do this?

"Prevent the formation of additional effective terrorist organizations (I really do not care if they form ineffective organizations; we can deal with those very easily). "

Wouldn't we need to maintain a constant military or intelligence presence in every country in the world to this?

"Convince the larger Islamic world that jihadism is a really stupid way of relating to the West. Do not convince the Islamic world that West is trying to exterminate them.

What have we done to convince them of this in the first place? Muslims have been moving here in droves for quite some time. And can you convince me that the Islamic world is not trying to exterminate me?

By the way and all kidding aside, it's not nice to call someone a liberal. Even I have my limits.

77 posted on 06/24/2002 3:26:27 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: Allrightnow
You are not suggesting that the outcome of the Vietnam War, our brief assault on Libya, and Desert storm ended as definitively as WWII are you?

I said that they achieved the results desired for them.

It seems to me that we beat it out of Nam,

When we left, the RVN was a free nation. Had Nixon not gotten himself involved in covering up a third-rate burglary, it probably would have stayed as such.

failed to take out Qadhafi,

And we haven't heard squat out of him, have we?

and momentarily contained Iraq.

We removed them from Kuwait. That was the goal.

Band aid solutions that left intact everything we were trying to remove.

Once again, you demonstrate that you don't know your history. Good thing you weren't in Sister Josephine's history class--she probably would have broken a few dozen rulers on your knuckles.

We were not trying to score WW2-style victories.

I appreciate you sharing your ideas with me but have some questions:

"Neutralize the effectiveness of extant Islamist groups through the precise application of force, both lethal and nonlethal."

Wouldn't we need to maintain a constant military or intelligence presence in every country in the world to do this?

We should have a constant intelligence presence in every country of the world. Those nations that don't generally do not survive as nations very long.

"Prevent the formation of additional effective terrorist organizations (I really do not care if they form ineffective organizations; we can deal with those very easily)."

Wouldn't we need to maintain a constant military or intelligence presence in every country in the world to this?

Again, we should be maintaining an intelligence presence everywhere. That's how a nation lives, survives, and thrives.

"Convince the larger Islamic world that jihadism is a really stupid way of relating to the West. Do not convince the Islamic world that West is trying to exterminate them.

What have we done to convince them of this in the first place?

Operation Enduring Freedom.

Muslims have been moving here in droves for quite some time.

And 90+% left their native lands because their flavor of Islamic theology didn't quite match what the mullah wanted. It's called "freedom." People seem to want it for some odd reason.

And can you convince me that the Islamic world is not trying to exterminate me?

Your psychological problems are your business, not mine.

By the way and all kidding aside, it's not nice to call someone a liberal. Even I have my limits.

Argue like a liberal, get called a liberal. C'est l'vie.

78 posted on 06/24/2002 3:40:24 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Edward Watson
Islam intends to conquer and dominate the world and the US is the primary impediment to this conquest.

Islam has been the football of the true world powers for most of the last century, they want to be left *alone*. Man, talk about projecting, the only 'thing' that is capable of world dominance is the debt-money system of international finance with its banner of globalism.

Islam doesnt want to play a crooked house, so, the house leans on them.

79 posted on 06/24/2002 3:59:52 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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The U.S. tempted China, radical Islam, and other foreign enemies with its weakness (to paraphrase John Kennedy) during the Clinton Administration.

America's foreign enemies were understandably emboldened by undeniable currents of decadence and moral weakness, including the election twice to the presidency of a man who is obviously psychopathic; widespread contempt for truthfulness, honor, and law in the American intelligentsia--academia, celebrities, journalists and the newmedia, attorneys, and notably the president of the United States and most importantly the tolerance of such by large numbers of Americans; and the weakening of the military and apparantly Americans' resolve to survive.

The response of Americans to the Sept. 11 massacre and the expert leadership of President Bush proved that this decadence and moral weakness have by no means permeated the American Heartland.

America's foreign enemies have taken note. They are still watching.

If the American resolve continues, if Americans repudiate the decadent "Liberalism" that weakened her and emboldened her enemies, no foreign power can or would dare to provoke the U.S.

(Unfortunately for the foolish Islamic fundamentalists, they already have. They will be crushed.)

80 posted on 06/24/2002 4:41:27 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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