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To: metesky
"IT IS NOT ABOUT SMOKING OR NOT SMOKING! IT IS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF ADULT PROPERTY OWNERS MAKING A PERSONAL DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW A LEGAL ACTIVITY ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY!"

The picture is the owner must provide a safe environment for the patrons if he or she will continue to operate a public establishment. I doubt that you would listen to any study by anyone that said that cigarette smoke is dangerous to people who inhale it. To me, that is a no-brainer, regardless of studies. Next, you will be saying that coal miners don't develop black lung fever. Anything that you take into your lungs has an impact. The lungs can cleanse themselves to a certain extent, but a long period of exposure to smoke does take its toll.

58 posted on 06/24/2002 10:15:56 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
The picture is the owner must provide a safe environment for the patrons if he or she will continue to operate a public establishment.

Private property is not public property, no matter how much you and statist activist courts f'ing want it to be. One day, you guys are going to learn the hard way.

62 posted on 06/24/2002 10:20:55 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Don Myers
The lungs can cleanse themselves to a certain extent, but a long period of exposure to smoke does take its toll.

Okay, let's ASSUME for just a moment that this statement is true (we won't even get into all the studies that show otherwise). How can you classify a brief visit to a privately-owned restaurant as "a long period of exposure"? I eat MANY more meals at home than I do in restaurants and would imagine that most folks are the same. Your DESIRE for a smoke-free world, mandated by government, might fly in a Fascist society, where all businesses are completely controlled by the state, but simply will not pass muster in a FREE society where the rights of the individual are (supposedly) prized and protected from government (read: society's) interference.

68 posted on 06/24/2002 10:27:10 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: Don Myers
You are continually setting up straw men, saying things nobody said, saying what we would say next, dodging weaving, anything to maintain your statist shill outlook.

Answer the question, statist: Why must you and your ilk be welcome everywhere and smokers welcome nowhere?

Not one person here has denied that smoking hurts some smokers. Not one. Yet you continue to dodge and weave iin order to maintain your position.

OSHA has set safety standards for everything in the workplace, from number of bathrooms, height of the toilets, grease removal, etc. Where are the safety standards for SHS?

77 posted on 06/24/2002 10:37:22 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Don Myers
"The picture is the owner must provide a safe environment for the patrons if he or she will continue to operate a public establishment. I doubt that you would listen to any study by anyone that said that cigarette smoke is dangerous to people who inhale it. To me, that is a no-brainer, regardless of studies."

And we should BAN sick people from coming to resturants. God knows I don't want one of them to sneeze near me or touch the table where I've been sitting. This endangers ME, so it should be BANNED!

There are people who are allergic to cat hair. Each resturant/bar should install a hypoallergineic (not a real word) air chamber to statically remove all cat hair from patrons who could endanger ME.

There are plenty of resturants/bars that prohibit smoking. The problem is, the anti-smoking control freaks simply wish to impose their will upon the rest of the population without regards to their personal rights. Then the freaks whine: "What about my rights?" Right there you are stating: "My rights are more important than your rights." What an arrogant and selfish load of Bullfinch.

If you don't like the way a business is being run, go somewhere else. If you feel business owners are in violation of OSHA regulations, report them to OSHA. Stop whining, grow a pair, and do something besides relying on the government to bully people for you.

I stopped smoking in 1999 and feel great, however, I don't start spazzing when I see a cigarette ad in a magazine; or pull out an air horn and start bleating when someone lights up on the other side of the lake I am fishing in. Which is how the anti-smokers sure appear with their hateful dialouge and accusations to the pro-smokers.
90 posted on 06/24/2002 10:50:41 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: Don Myers
I doubt that you would listen to any study by anyone that said that cigarette smoke is dangerous to people who inhale it.

I doubt you would listen to a study that said the opposite. Which is a shame, considering that is what the majority of the studies show.

143 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:41 PM PDT by Gabz
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