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Conservatives, Cut Bush Slack
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 22, 2002 | Thomas Roeser

Posted on 06/22/2002 9:46:05 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Sabertooth
Yes I caught it. Let me ask you, as a forum, a very small minority of the conservative base, how are debating these issues amongst ourselves going to change anything in the grand scheme of things? Shouldn't we take these types of issues to our state or local representatives? If we don't aggree with our representatives, shouldn't we try to remove them from office? Too many here try to place the blame on the president when he is getting directive from the elective officials that 'represent' us in Washington. If we had representatives who represented our views, our president would pass more conservative agenda items.
1,641 posted on 06/23/2002 6:13:43 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: WIMom
I'm all for that, I would like to think that moderates would lend a hand here in letting the Party know that trouble is brewing in the ranks, possibly more than they anticipated.
1,642 posted on 06/23/2002 6:16:24 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: WIMom
I'm all for that, I would like to think that moderates would lend a hand here in letting the Party know that trouble is brewing in the ranks, possibly more than they anticipated.
1,643 posted on 06/23/2002 6:16:31 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: tpaine
Please behave tpaine, I need you around to butt heads with......
1,644 posted on 06/23/2002 6:18:52 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: tpaine
Please behave tpaine, I need you around to butt heads with......
1,645 posted on 06/23/2002 6:19:47 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: tpaine
"We are divided at FR, imo, by being overly focused on partisan politics, as you seem to agree. - And only JR can lead us to change that focus."

Puh-leeeeazzze, my FRiend, JimRob's got no responsibility in steering FR's various factions to a Common Goal!! That's the beauty of this Forum, IMHO, it's a FRee-fer-All fer hashin' out our various conservative philosophies!! JimRob's got his personal opinion, but he's never been one to impose that upon the rest of us any more than necessary!! We can continue to argue for a more confrontational White House or one that folks consider more palatable to the unenlightened masses, but we needn't call on the founder of this wonderful website to referee our disagreements.

FReegards...MUD

1,646 posted on 06/23/2002 6:24:27 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Texaggie79
"I need you around to butt heads with......"

You'll always have me, my FRiend...MUD

1,647 posted on 06/23/2002 6:25:24 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: WIMom
Too many here try to place the blame on the president when he is getting directive from the elective officials that 'represent' us in Washington.

C'mon, when the Left says that Bush is an empty suit, controlled by Cheney, Rumsfield, and Powell, everyone here says that is a lot of hooey. Bush is his own man.

But we're supposed to believe that he's getting directive from other politicians on the domestic front?

I don't believe that either.




1,648 posted on 06/23/2002 6:26:20 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Free Vulcan
"I would gladly vote for a conservative Democrat who supports the Constitution over a liberal Republican any day of the week."

Seriously, FV, how can an individual who would vote for Gephardt for Speaker or D'Asshole for Majority Leader be a supporter of the Constitution?! Or was your statement entirely hypothetical?

FReegards...MUD

1,649 posted on 06/23/2002 6:32:54 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Sabertooth
Who are your congress people, who are your senators. Who creates legislature? Who really controls policy? The president or congress and the judiciary (as the liberals have strived for for years)?
1,650 posted on 06/23/2002 6:33:21 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: Mudboy Slim
yeah, but you know when you are beat..... :-D
1,651 posted on 06/23/2002 6:37:44 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Roscoe
The president has at his disposal, several law enforcement agencies which could be used to round up illegal aliens. FBI, INS, NSA, US ARMY, US NAVY, US MARINES, US AIR FORCE, NATIONAL GUARD, US COAST GUARD and others All that is required is some leadership from the prez.
1,652 posted on 06/23/2002 6:39:41 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: Roscoe
Delusions of grandeur.

I was talking about you being the antichrist. And you are right, you are too insignificant for that.

How about the anti-intelligent? Yeah, that fits you.

You're the dumbest guy on FR, and that's saying plenty.

1,653 posted on 06/23/2002 6:39:55 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Sabertooth
I have a hard time believing things too. But I much rather believe Bush or a republican than a clintonite.
1,654 posted on 06/23/2002 6:41:36 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: deport
As a last resort, the president can issue executive orders to disallow federal funding for abortions. He could issue an executive order disallowing partial birth abortions. There are several steps he could take, some might be over-ridden by the congress, some by the courts. It wouldn't hurt him to try.
1,655 posted on 06/23/2002 6:44:30 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: MissAmericanPie
The whole argument, as I see it, is that some people do not believe in incrementalism and compromise. Therre are a few things I will not compromise on, like partial birth abortion. Things like the farm bill and steel tariffs are, on the other hand, unfortunate but necessary trades for other things we want, like votes for conservative senators and support for the war.

Other people feel that any non-conservative compromise is giving in to the enemy. I do not agree with this way of thinking. I understand that people hate to see long-cherished principles unsupported by the President, but I am looking at other goals, like winning the war and taking back the Senate.

It is quite possible that you are correct, and we are giving away too much. On the other hand, it is also possible that the course that the President has selected (and which I support) is correct.

The President did not campaign on jailing Bill Clinton, abolishing the departments of Education and HHS, or pulling us out of the UN. Gripes about those positions are ridiculous, as far as I am concerned. Becaue Bush is more conservative than Gore (which he is) it is unfair to gripe that he isn't taking the most extreme views of conservatives. He never said he would, and I did not expect him to do so. He campaigned as a uniter, not a divider.

Now, on certain issues I am less than thrilled...education for one. However, I look at the sum total of the President's work, and I also keep in mind what we could have had instead.

If you are worried about certain issues, call or write the White House. That is what I do. It gives them an idea of what the average person is thinking. However, I ask you to also keep in mind that when we have a democrat Senate, a popular vote minority, and a hostile media, President Bush has accomplished a lot in his first 18 months. Is it eveything we want? Of course not. But is it pretty good? I think so.

Do you write or call the White House to praise those things you agree with? Did you send a note of encouragement after we pulled out of the World Court? How about when he ditched Kyoto? How about when he pulled out of the ABM treaty? Those are things that would have NEVER happened with a dem as president.

In my opinion, those who are griping about domestic issues are allowing the media to set the agenda. Who in the heck would have really cared about that farm bill if Rush hadn't ranted about it for three days? Most people don't even know about it to this day. And most of the gripers don't ever dare mention that Reagan passed a farm bill as well, nor that Quayle was on Fox supporting the President, even though he had passed this dreaded bill.

That is where I stand on this. Those who think the country is in peril are correct...but it is not because of passage of CFR, the Farm Bill, or the Education Bill. We are in peril because we are at war, we have a fifth colummn in this country made up of non-Arabs as well as Muslims, and we have a hostile media.

1,656 posted on 06/23/2002 6:46:12 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Texaggie79
Behave? - Sure thing tex.

-- How was I 'misbehaving'?
1,657 posted on 06/23/2002 6:54:28 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Your temper is showing. Starting to get personal with others. Unless "moron" has another meaning I'm unaware of.....
1,658 posted on 06/23/2002 6:57:41 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: tpaine
Ahhh -- the old woman scorned response. Learn to control your fury.

LOL! Funny guy...

1,659 posted on 06/23/2002 7:01:58 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: dcwusmc
On the other question, try Walter E. Williams for one intelligent writer. I KNOW he's been posted here. Thomas Sowell is another. There are a lot more. Or go look at the links to JewishWorldReview I think it is. Their articles have been linked here often...

I've never seen Walter Williams post here (not disputing what you're saying - just letting you know I was not aware of it). I have not seen Thomas Sowell post here, either. If they are the sort of "learned" men what's-his-name was referring to, all he had to do was say so - but he had to be condescending and rude. To me, that says a lot about someone.

1,660 posted on 06/23/2002 7:13:10 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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