Mexico Wants Arizona Back (Now on Hannity & Colmbs

FoxNews ^ | 6/21/02 | FOXNEWS

[Mom_Grandmother]

Mexico, at least one person anyhow, wants several of our states back, they belong to Mexico. On Hannity & Colmbs Now!!!

[MeekOneGOP]

Perhaps it is the Free Republic's management who has shown their disgust with anti-illegal immigration proponents. I don't know. Are the others getting the pinging?

I don't understand. I got your ping, tho.

[lentulusgracchus]

the only part of the Houston metropolitan area that hasn't sustained a massive invasion

I blame the businesses. I've been watching. Wrigley's, the gum maker, and Miller Brewing in particular have been guilty of catering (sucking up, actually) to the illegals with all-Spanish billboards and posters in the Houston Heights and other "barrio" areas. Banks put up posters in their lobbies, using the "mirroring" technique, and that tells you who they think their customer base is -- 75% of the images are of minorities, and the only Caucasians have white hair and dentures. The grocery stores are stocking pure-Mexican foodstuffs: prickly-pear leaves, varieties of Mexican peppers, made-in-Mexico soft drinks, tortillas, tamales, chorizo and cheeses with labels all in Spanish, Spanish signs all over the store, staffs that are mostly illegals who speak very little English (don't bother asking a stockboy for anything), young employees with gang tattoos, and in the case of one Mexican-oriented grocery chain (their store colors are the national colors of Mexico), nighttime ads on indie TV in Spanish, touting foodstuffs "que nuestra giente prefiere", an ad so incredibly ethnocentrist that if an American chain ran the English translation for "foods that white Americans prefer", they'd be instantly bashed coast-to-coast by the PC Media mandarins for racism.

In addition, check-cashing businesses sprouting everywhere with prominent signs advertising cheap money wires to Mexican corresponding banks. Even the stores in the nearby malls don't stock the same merchandise -- the same selection and quality -- that the suburban stores in the same chains carry. I didn't know that last, but the women on our civic club's executive committee filled me in, in a hurry, when I inquired about it in the course of a discussion of the quality of businesses in our area possibly affecting property values and ethnic turnover ("white flight"). What happens is that businessmen spot a demographic trend and "consign" whole areas to the "future barrio" category and act accordingly -- and in so doing, work mightily to create the changes that otherwise we have attributed, in ignorance, to the "invisible hand of the market". There are no invisible hands in the market -- only visible people. And businesspeople have an awful lot to say about the changes you are pointing to, IMHO, and have in fact caused a lot of them, themselves.

I have a Travelers Express Moneygram poster that I picked up in a check-cashing storefront business last year. The poster is 100% in Spanish and features heavily nationalist, ethnocentrist, and I think Aztlanist themes in a section of mural that is the main image in the ad. The slogan is De Paisano a Paisano, which is overtly nationalist or possibly ethnocentrist. The largest image in the ad is of an Indian warrior wearing a jaguar helmet and claws, a breastplate (as for war), and a large Virgin of Guadelupe, an ethnic emblem, on his shoulder. The warrior-figure, in scale gigantic, is kneeling with his arm around what looks like a conjunto band. Elsewhere in the poster, a woman with her family approaches a cash register bearing the de paisano et cetera slogan, and she is wearing a broad sash with a map of the New World on it -- which certainly looks like an ethnic territorial claim to everything from Alaska to Patagonia. It might be interesting to see the whole mural, but the poster is a decoupage job, with bits integrated and repeated here and there. The title at the top is Los Tigres del Norte, which I suppose is the name of the band, El Norte meaning variously the United States, or in Mexican usage sometimes the industrial belt of northern Mexico, which has acquired a regional distinction among Mexicans.

The point here is that this poster was a promotion by an American business wanting to do business with Mexican nationals in the United States: Envio Internacional de Dinero was the business at hand, as defined by the poster. In so doing, they elevate nationalist Mexican and ethnocentrist mestizo and nativist themes at a time when willingness to assimilate, as you pointed out above, is cratering. This is highly significant, and businesses are part of the problem here.

If someone else has seen this mural and understands its symbolism, I'd appreciate a post-up.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!

[al_possum39]

I got your ping yesterday but my 'puter was on the blink and I couldn't reply fer some reason.

[al_possum39]

Since then, I have spoken with many employers, and they say the illegals are the most loyal, hard-working employees one can find.

I think that is the point. If we issued green cards to everybody in Mexico, then the folks from the countries south of Mexico would be just such good workers and work so much harder than the Mexicans that they would have to hire them then. Just seems like you can't get a legal worker to work.

[TADSLOS]

He wants Texas, Cal., Arizona

By the looks of things, they already have them and we are paying for the illegals to live in Arizona, California and here in Texas. Looks like it's all over but the argument to me.

[archy]

I used to think illegals from Mexico were a real problem because I had only one frame of reference seeing them come through the Criminal Justice System. Since then, I have spoken with many employers, and they say the illegals are the most loyal, hard-working employees one can find. Maybe there is a message there about appreciation for our country.

A message? Indeed there is, and I can think of at least one who knew it well.

Unfortunately, that is not the only message that is out there. Here is another:

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

-archy-/-

[FreedomFriend]

Yeah, I remember seeing that grocery chain. I think the name of it was "Fiesta". I figured that it was a Mexican grocery store, being that the colors of the store were red, white, and green, not to mention its name.

I saw several "Fiestas" throughout the Houston area. It's apparent that Houston really does have a problem.

As far as the posters and business techniques, I agree. Business people from banks to billboard companies to realators work for demographic change. It's all about money to them. They see the slightest bit of demographic change in an area, and they then seek to capitalize on it. They do this by swaying certain groups to that area, mainly one that is not the majority, and eventually within ten years the area has changed so much. In the meantime, they cash in big time as the neighborhood old timers seek to sell their homes to get away from the change and into a neighborhood that looks more like home. This is supposed to be against the law, but the same principle still happens. They don't go around the neighborhood creating fear, but they effectively try to change the neighborhood, regardless.

[jpl]

On the contrary, the Aztecs and the other pre-Columbian Mexican indigenous populations were never wiped out. In fact, their descendents make up the vast majority of the present-day population of Mexico. That is what gives rise to the entire La Raza/Aztlan mentality. The way they see things, they are the Aztecs.

I love how they conveniently forget to mention how this was accomplished: the Spaniards killed most of the indigenous men and took the women as wives and concubines. It may be true that 90% of the population is at least partly descended from the indigenous tribes, but isn't it rather funny that almost all of them are speaking SPANISH and not the ancient native tongues?

[Bigg Red]

We ain't going to fight for the Southwest. The Mexican strategy is simple: drive out the productive, make the Southwest a net loser for America, and make America throw THEM out of the Union.

I sincerely wish that I could dispute what you say, but I fear your description is all too accurate.

[Shermy]

Pong.

[kaktuskid]

The reconqkeesters apparently havent talked to the Apaches or Navajos

[Paulie]

I was just wondering...are our state governments powerless on these things or are governors and state senators just your standard, anti-American politicos? HOW can they just let this happen?

[Jamten]

I have a co-worker that proudly stated he hoped the USA will lose against Germany and that he is indeed not an American. Maybe he should return to from where his parents came from, Hong Kong or China or both! I sure do not want to see that sorry a$$ for an excuse hanging around here.

[Jamten]

Strange we did not see riots.

[lentulusgracchus]

They do this by swaying certain groups to that area, mainly one that is not the majority, and eventually within ten years the area has changed so much. In the meantime, they cash in big time as the neighborhood old timers seek to sell their homes to get away from the change and into a neighborhood that looks more like home.

This is called blockbusting. Do you have any articles or resources that discuss how businesses actively do this? This is an important point and sounds halfway plausible -- almost enough to get out the tinfoil hats -- have you anything to corroborate your observation? PBS documentaries, that kind of thing? The local PBS affiliate, KUHT, once did a documentary about 1960's blockbusting, which was undertaken by an unethical real-estate firm (very few individuals involved, really), and their lowlife tactics. But do you have any further information or references about the practice being imitated more widely by business?

[FITZ]

I would probably dispute that judging from what I see around here ---they seem to have a stranger plan than simple reconquistation, they will continue to demand money and other benefits from Washington but culturally and politically the area goes back to them. In the border counties, it's rarer and rarer to hear English spoken or much evidence of assimilation into American culture, "anglo" politicians can forget it, but there are plenty of demands for welfare programs and federal government "solutions".

[RooRoobird14]

Oh yeah, the "Azatlan" Clymers have been saying this for years. Try driving around in East LA--every other car with a Hispanic in it has an "Azatlan" bumper sticker on it.

[FITZ]

That is what gives rise to the entire La Raza/Aztlan mentality. The way they see things, they are the Aztecs.

That seems to be mostly a Chicano thing, real Mexicans don't seem to call themselves Indians unless they are or were part of an Indian group, they also know more about the many other Indians besides the Aztecs and that the Aztecs killed those other Indians which caused them to side with the Spaniards against the Aztecs.