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To: discostu
"What if mom paid for dad's college and he walked out on her the minute he got his diploma? He should still get half?"

If Mom feels like this could happen, she should be getting a diploma, too. She should not leave it up to Dad. If she does, and the guy is a jerk and walks out, too bad. She should have seen it coming. Or at least be willing to own up to it being a bad decision.

"What if dad has said repeatedly that he doesn't want kids and has sworn to abondon any he gets? He should still get custody of the son?"

Why would any woman have kids with this kind of guy? If she does, it's her problem just as much as his. And, yes, he should still get custody of the son. But in this case, he wouldn't want the son anyway, so would probably be willing to give him up.

"What if mom is a crackhead? She should still get custody the daughter?"

If a parent has been convicted of a crime in a court of law, they would forfeit their rights to custody.

"What if both parents agree to JPF? One of them should still be completely cut off from each kid?"

I did not say that either parent should be cut off from any kids, just that custody would be to one or the other. By doing this you would have the best chance in forcing both parents to behave like adults and share the kids. But there would be not time/money issues that could/would be used as bargaining chips and extortion leverage.

"A solution of "f#ck everybody" is no solution."

In a divorce, this usually happens to everyone anyway. And this continues to happen even after the divorce. My solution would actually help put a limit on how much of this could continue happening. Like I said before, divorce should be cruel, harsh, cold, and businesslike. Maybe then people would think at least twice before making a marriage commitment and then pulling the plug a few years later.
40 posted on 07/08/2002 12:21:55 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: DennisR
If Mom feels like this could happen,

Most people don't think their spouse is gonna screw 'em over. If they do usually they leave first.

Why would any woman have kids with this kind of guy?

Because she's stupid. Seen it more times than I'd care to admit. None of this has bearing on the root question.

If she does, it's her problem just as much as his. And, yes, he should still get custody of the son. But in this case, he wouldn't want the son anyway, so would probably be willing to give him up.

But now you have an exception. It's not all being handled the same way. That was your goal, universal divorce handling, no power for the courts.

If a parent has been convicted of a crime in a court of law, they would forfeit their rights to custody.

You can be a crackhead and not get convicted. But again, we're introducing exceptions here.

I did not say that either parent should be cut off from any kids, just that custody would be to one or the other.

You said more than that. You also included no visitation and no child support. That's a complete severing of the relationship in my book.

By doing this you would have the best chance in forcing both parents to behave like adults and share the kids. But there would be not time/money issues that could/would be used as bargaining chips and extortion leverage.

How could mandated single parent custody with no visitation or child suport result in sharing of the kid? Your outline is the exact opposite of sharing the kid.

In a divorce, this usually happens to everyone anyway. And this continues to happen even after the divorce. My solution would actually help put a limit on how much of this could continue happening. Like I said before, divorce should be cruel, harsh, cold, and businesslike. Maybe then people would think at least twice before making a marriage commitment and then pulling the plug a few years later.

Please. Spoken like someone seeking revenge. Divorces aren't all nasty, your system would force the occasional amicable divorce to be a war. That's stupid. If the couple can figure something out on their own then that's the plan that should be used. If the couple can't that's when the courts should step in and sort the mess out. That's what courts are actually supposed to be for, sorting out messes. At that point the courts have to take in the whole situation and react accordingly.

41 posted on 07/08/2002 12:32:04 PM PDT by discostu
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To: DennisR
divorce should be cruel, harsh, cold, and businesslike

You also have to take into consideration just what is "business like". I've seen business relationships disolve so brutally they made the Woody Allen/ Mia Farrow split look positively polite. And I've seen divorces take just a couple of days to hammer out and everybody leaves happy and friends. There's a world of randomness in any dissolving of a relationship, an't be helped.

42 posted on 07/08/2002 12:36:15 PM PDT by discostu
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