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Conservatives Angered by Environmental Provision [Bush pulls another Al Gore]
The Washington Times ^ | June 18, 2002 | Audrey Hudson and Amy Fagan

Posted on 06/18/2002 9:35:38 AM PDT by Spiff

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A tax break for environmental groups is being added to part of President Bush's faith-based initiative, angering some conservatives.

The provision gives a 25 percent discount on capital-gains tax to private property owners who sell their land to environmental groups or the government, instead of to other private parties.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; enviralists; environment; gop; green; klamathbasincrisis; landgrab; rino; socialism
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To: Spiff
Hey - didn't you used to be a McCain fanatic or something?

Nope I am called a "Bushbot" by most of the unappeaseables.

A "slur" that is worn as a badge of honor, btw.

Anyway you all go on with your tantrums. You all have your pictures right next to the word "reactionary" in the dictionary, IMHO.

41 posted on 06/18/2002 10:37:30 AM PDT by Dane
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To: madfly
Not good- what to do next?
42 posted on 06/18/2002 10:38:19 AM PDT by mafree
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To: NittanyLion
Did you just say Bush has implemented most planks of the Democrat Platform?

No, I didn't. He took their domestic issues and gave enough towards them to make those that typically vote Dem. without looking to at least make a second thought towards voting Republican. The Democratic Party always holds domestic issues as the weakest link in the conservatives chain of issues. By removing a complete hold on those issues he is opening up the way for more people to look at the Republican Party in a different manner than that presented by the Dems and to hopefully filling the ballot box with Republican votes.

43 posted on 06/18/2002 10:39:07 AM PDT by callisto
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To: Spiff
Environment and faith-based? Sounds to me like he'classifying environmentalism as a faith (religion).

What can I say? More of the same. It's getting disgusting and irritating. I have a feeling that Bush's base in the next election will not be the right leaning conservatives. I think many of them will stay home and not vote.

44 posted on 06/18/2002 10:39:33 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: DoughtyOne
HE RAN AS A MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD CANDIDATE!

DOES NO ONE HAVE A MEMORY ON THIS THREAD?

45 posted on 06/18/2002 10:41:20 AM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto
When Bush swerves back toward the middle of the road, be sure and ping all of us. Thanks!
46 posted on 06/18/2002 10:43:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: mdwakeup
See post#43. History could one day regard this President as being the one who initiated the decline of the Democratic Party in America. We can truly hope.
47 posted on 06/18/2002 10:43:36 AM PDT by callisto
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To: Spiff
Excuse me, I could have sworn I voted for a right from center Republican. When are Pubbies going to realize no matter how much they pander to the liberal special interest types, they will always vote Democrat?
48 posted on 06/18/2002 10:44:05 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: poet
I think you are right about countries that harbor terrorists. We are probably harboring more dangerous terrorists than any other country on the globe and being ever so 'tolerant' toward them.
49 posted on 06/18/2002 10:45:40 AM PDT by nanny
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To: DoughtyOne
Geez...keep up,will ya? He did that a long time ago...

"Sec. 3. The following Executive Orders, or sections thereof, which established committees that have terminated and whose work is completed, are revoked:

(a) Sections 3 and 4 of Executive Order 13134 pertaining to the establishment and administration of the Advisory Committee on Biobased Products and Bioenergy, superseded by the Biomass Research and Development Technical Advisory Committee established pursuant to section 306 of the Biomass Research and Development Act of 2000 (Title III of Public Law 106-224);

(b) Executive Order 13080, establishing the American Heritage Rivers Initiative Advisory Committee;"

White House Press Release - Oct 01, 2001

50 posted on 06/18/2002 10:45:54 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Rodney King
Danger! Some people are speaking ill of W. The horrors. I'm sure y'all will find some way to defend this, please hurry.

37 posted on 6/18/02 10:35 AM Pacific by Rodney King

WE ARE AT WAR... knock it off you unamerican swank. Get on your knees and Repent. LICK the Boots of King George the First. And nevermind his Socialist ways, it is all a master plot to regain the Senate! (/sarcasm)

Oops, excuse me while I

51 posted on 06/18/2002 10:49:26 AM PDT by Area51
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To: DoughtyOne
If these aren't conservative accomplishments, please tell us what are.

* secured passage through Congress of a $1.35 trillion tax cut
* gave working American's a stimulus tax cut
* proposed the largest increases in military spending since Reagan
* singed two military two pay raises & increased medical/housing benefits
* threw out the Kyoto protocol
* disposed of the ABM Treaty
* eliminated taxpayer funding of overseas abortions
* has openly and strongly supported Taiwan
* made no deal for release of the EP-3 plane crew from Red China
* secured initial funding for a NMDS (SDI)
* promoted increases for off shore oil drilling
* has strongly advocated drilling in ANWR
* pushed for building more nuclear power plants
* campaigned to reduce our dependency on oil imports
* repealed many last minute Clinton EO`s
* campaigned for partial privatization of Social Security
* offered faith-based alternatives to traditional welfare
* stopped gov't funding for further destruction of human embryo's
* nominated conservative judges to the federal bench
* returned honor, dignity and trust to the Presidency
* recognized 2ND amendment/RKBA as individual right, fully constitutional
* told Cuba/Castro trade embargo stays
*re-instated the Mexico City Policy (pro-life)
*redefined the governments position regarding the 2nd Amendment
*Is begining to withdrawl women from combat

I could on, but this list should suffice for starters.

52 posted on 06/18/2002 10:49:29 AM PDT by callisto
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To: madfly
There are some who are willing to trash GWB 24/7.
I support him and will until he's out of office in '09 !!

There is no power in complaint, there is power in action !!
Write to your Congress critters.

It's appropriate to see what the final legislation looks like before getting all excited... :o)

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

53 posted on 06/18/2002 10:50:57 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Spiff
The provision gives a 25 percent discount on capital-gains tax to private property owners who sell their land to environmental groups or the government, instead of to other private parties.

No one is forcing private property owners to sell to environmental groups...therefore their "land grab" argument is way over the top. Much ado about nothing...

54 posted on 06/18/2002 10:51:46 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: callisto
"Did President Bush not campaign as a person who would work with both sides of the aisle..."

Working with both sides of the aisle in negotiations is one thing. Proposing, supporting, and implementing blatant socialist issues, legislation, and directives is another.

55 posted on 06/18/2002 10:51:53 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: ravingnutter
Well look "friend" if I did keep you what would you get paid to do?
56 posted on 06/18/2002 10:53:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: A Navy Vet
And just so there is no question, I would give my life for my Commander-in-Chief.
57 posted on 06/18/2002 10:54:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: MRAR15Guy56
Daschle's Demoncreeps holds power that cannot be overcome by a Republican President. Daschle knows it. President Bush knows it. EVERY piece of legislation has to go through the Senate. Either there is give and take there or NOTHING is accomplished. Then what will be the cry? The do-nothing President. We would hear it every night. Dan Blather and Tom Brokenjaw and Peter Lemmings would not stop harping on the fact the President Bush has gotten nothing through Congress.

If we elect more Republicans in the Senate and take the majority - what do you think will happen? He will NOT have to barter away every conservative ideal in trying to accomplish anything legislatively as he is now.

Here's a plan.

Let's elect (conservative if we can get them) Republican Senators enough so that the President has a Republican majority (big one) in the House and in the Senate.

And then let's see what happens.

If, on that occasion, the President continues to submit or sign bills that offend conservative ideals out the kazoo, then I and many others will join you in the disgust you manifest.

He will not.

The Demoncreeps know this. President Bush knows this. I know this. Why don't you try to understand this also....and similarly all those who have turned against President Bush.

No, he is not the most conservative President ever. He is pragmatic.

But if you listen to what he talks about:

Freedom, freedom, freedom - (big topic of his speeches) - where we had Clinton/Gore decrying "all this radical amount of freedom" given to this country by our founding documents) - you should understand (if you are not a Demoncreep yourself) - that this President cherishes the ideals most conservatives cherish, especially the ideal of FREEDOM.

I believe President Bush's instincts ARE conservative. I believe he has around him advisors who are pragmatic, rather than conservative (with a few exceptions like Ted Olson and, perhaps, Mr. Rumsfeld). I believe President Bush determined to come into office and prove that he could "govern" by using the same bipartisan approach he used in Texas with the Dims. He stated he wanted to change the poisonous atmosphere in Washington and has done everything possible to do just that....despite every possible effort by the Hitlery corps to draw him out into full face battle with them.

He has decided he would rather govern than fight these anti-American traitors every day - because, no matter how we all loathe them - he MUST work with them. There is no other choice.

And, he has decided to follow the advice to "steal" every issue out there by going on the offensive about each one. With each "theft" he angers his conservative base and he gives the Dems and their presstitute friends ammunition to divide the President's supporters.

I think it is too pragmatic sometimes. I would prefer the President "just say no" to the Dimwits. I would prefer he fight them tooth and nail. I would prefer he slap them down at every opportunity. Most of us would.

But, I am not the President.

I am also not the Commander in Chief seeing the need to rebuild our military as fast as possible meaning getting budgets through Congress which would normally be opposed by the American communists.

ADd to that the thousands if not tens of thousands of Clinton/Gore bureaucrats that were purposefully burrowed as deep in to the agencies as possible in order to maintain control on the government in the chance that Gore lost the 2000 election.....people set there ON PURPOSE TO DO NOTHING BUT DAMAGE PRESIDENT BUSH AND OUR COUNTRY EVEN IF THAT MEANS ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS. ...and I would say President Bush has been more successful than any ELECTABLE President could have been under the circumstances.

And that is the key. ELECTABLE. What is electable today? It sure as heck isn't Pat Buchanan and his ilk.

America has changed since the days of Reagan - to the detriment of this country. Reagan only had 4 years of Carter to undo. President Bush has eight years of a malevelontly evil disease called Clintonism (that is still with us as in the US Senate) to try to conquer.

Here's another idea. SEE TO IT THAT ALL THE CLINTONISTAS ARE REMOVED FROM GOVERNMENT OFFICE AND WATCH HOW THIS PRESIDENT BECOMES THE MOST CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT WE HAVE EVER SEEN IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY!

Now, if you don't want to see if these ideas would work - keep up the rhetoric. And, of course, if you work for the Demoncreeps, you will.

58 posted on 06/18/2002 10:55:32 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Spiff
I started losing trust in this guy a while ago, and it's only continuing.
59 posted on 06/18/2002 10:56:45 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: callisto
He took their domestic issues and gave enough towards them to make those that typically vote Dem. without looking to at least make a second thought towards voting Republican.

I've always had a hard time swallowing the idea that folks will vote for a GOP candidate implementing liberal policies; they could simply vote for a Dem and get the real thing.

60 posted on 06/18/2002 10:56:51 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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