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'VIGILANTE' JEWS WILL SET FORTH A BATTLE PLAN
New York Post ^ | 6/16/02 | PHILIP MESSING

Posted on 06/16/2002 12:55:18 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:06:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

June 16, 2002 -- The Jewish Defense Group - which says it wants to protect its neighborhood even as critics call them vigilantes looking to inflame tensions - will hit the streets today with its controversial armed patrols.

Leaders of the group last week raised the hackles of cops and other city leaders by vowing to patrol Jewish neighborhoods such as Borough Park and Flatbush.


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To: Yehuda
How can there be ANY argument against Americans arming themselves to defend their wives and children from people WHOSE RELIGION DEMANDS THAT THEY KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS? Or is it only JEWISH Americans who should go quietly to their deaths again?

10-4. You have this thread back on track IMHO. This IS the point. Too bad Commissioner Kelly can't commit the NYPD to cooperating on a self-defense position rather than ranting and threatening those who want to openly take a defense of self, family and community position.

81 posted on 06/16/2002 4:49:58 AM PDT by toddst
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To: LarryLied
It is those alive today living in Israel who committed crimes in the Soviet Block

Complete BS. It was proletarian Ukrainians who commited those crimes against richer Russia. Again, by your fascist definition, then Hitler was a Christian too.

82 posted on 06/16/2002 4:50:47 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
Urban legend. The idea that the Jews ran the Soviet Union is a farce. If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, they wouldn't have supported the Arabs who were killing the Jews. And they wouldn't have been so quick to get in bed with Hitler prior to 1941.
86 posted on 06/16/2002 4:56:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: lavaroise
We are at war against Islamism by the way.

You may be but that is not US policy. And I would like to keep it that way. Turkey has been a good ally. The bases we use in the Gulf come in handy. Israel wants their war to become America's war but there is no advantage to us in allowing it to occur. We do not want Muslims viewing Americans as they do Jews. Israel and Palestinians can slug it out to their hearts content. I don't care what Israel does regarding Palestine. It is not America's fight. As far as Israel helping the USA in our war, thanks but no thanks. More trouble having Israel help than its worth.

87 posted on 06/16/2002 4:56:26 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: wotan
I visited this web-site and was really shocked to discover that, in the words of the web-site: The Supreme Court of Israel has already declared that Jews who believe in Jesus are not eligible for citizenship under the Law of Return Currently, a bill is pending before the Knesset which would outlaw all unsolicited missionary work, including mass mailings ... Israel, being a Jewish state, has the right to assert that its citizens be protected from missionary work. If a Jew can be an atheist, why can't a Jew believe in Jesus? Does Israel really discriminate against Christians in this manner? Is there a serious possibility that free speech rights will be denied to Messianic Jews in Israel? I favor free speech rights for all Jews everywhere, regardless of their religion.

States rights still exist and it is not like Barak refused to confederate with a potentialy Christian Palestinian state. You guys really have it up yours. Why do you socialist Christian nationalist hypocrits go to Israel to mandate their laws, yet when Jews go into American politics you are against it. You guys are just like Hillary: don't look in my bedroom, but I certainly can look in yours.

88 posted on 06/16/2002 4:58:11 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Yehuda
So your resentment runs to Jews in Brooklyn being allowed to defend themselves from Muslims who have proclaimed they want to kill them?

The resentment is that the overwhelming number of Jews in America vote to deny the rest of us the right to defend ourselves. I'm sick of double standards.

89 posted on 06/16/2002 4:59:08 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
You may be but that is not US policy.

It is US policy as per the terror war that includes Islamists in power vowing to destroy. But I guess your kind is not at war against Islamism that has embraced Hitler's views in their media.

90 posted on 06/16/2002 4:59:39 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
The resentment is that the overwhelming number of Jews in America vote to deny the rest of us the right to defend ourselves. I'm sick of double standards.

And you belong to the Jews for Firearms ownership? I did not think so, I guess it is one of those you purport to be JDL linked groups. Your accusatorial prosecution against Jews is sickening, Hitler would be proud of you.

91 posted on 06/16/2002 5:01:24 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Oh, worse example? These people have the jurisdictional right to post their views about Christmas. This is not extremist, this is within their jurisdictions...

Oh wow. If www.noahide.com is not extremist, I don't know what is:

"A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he has invented a religious holiday for himself."

92 posted on 06/16/2002 5:02:27 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Here is another even worse example.

Your delusions of persecution makes you worse. At least they do not attack gentiles at large as you are attacking Jews at large.

93 posted on 06/16/2002 5:03:29 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
Oh wow. If www.noahide.com is not extremist, I don't know what is:

My point was that compared to you, they are not.

94 posted on 06/16/2002 5:04:08 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: AppyPappy
Read this. It is safe. It was presented at a Holocaust museum.
95 posted on 06/16/2002 5:05:30 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Beats me. Probably the same leg someone would have who prohibited a faith from discouraging converts or outlawed religions based on bloodlines.

No bloodlines involved here save for you pointing at Jews. As for bloodlines, there is jurisdiction and risk involved in blood relatives. It is not a fundamental one as your hero Herr Hitler purported Jews to be like you do, but if you cannot relate along the bloodlines of your relatives, either you are a liar socialist hypocrit, or you're an idiot.

97 posted on 06/16/2002 5:07:32 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Why do you socialist Christian nationalist hypocrits go to Israel to mandate their laws, yet when Jews go into American politics you are against it.

I may be wrong but I believe the Knesset does not allow the type of lobbying AIPAC does in America. Who said anyone is against Jews in American politics? I don't care who is in Congress if they are conservative.

99 posted on 06/16/2002 5:10:40 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: lavaroise
Lavaroise, you are too brainy!! But What is the Truth is something I am wondering about all the time.

As a child, I lived in a neighborhood in MD outside of DC which was about 60% Jewish. My father was an atheist, so we never went to church. As a result, I had no concept of religion or spirituality. At that time I didn't understand anything about Judaism or Christianity, and the Jewish kids to me were other kids to play with. As time went on, my observations of Jews around me were that they were smart and didn't get in trouble like other kids (or I should say teenagers by that time) and my father's good friends were Jewish. Even though he was an atheist, he didn't mind if others believed in God. He was a scientist and was solely interested in earthly knowledge. When I got older, I came to believe in God, and I do have very strong beliefs which probably don't fit in too well with organized religions. I think we are all put here to evolve spiritually, and to try to love others and to help others as I believe God loves all creatures. And I am certain that our souls live on after death. I despise greed and arrogance, which is one reason I was so happy to leave the big city.

But I am always wondering why people are the way they are, and these days I wonder why certain groups of Arabs seem so fond of killing and torturing people. Is it environment? Is there a genetic component? I do know that in Israel they are doing some excellent research on human genetics. I wonder if our genes are our blueprints given to us by God, to work out whatever issues we need to work on in this life.

100 posted on 06/16/2002 5:12:42 AM PDT by DBtoo
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