'VIGILANTE' JEWS WILL SET FORTH A BATTLE PLAN

New York Post ^ | 6/16/02 | PHILIP MESSING

[kattracks]

June 16, 2002 -- The Jewish Defense Group - which says it wants to protect its neighborhood even as critics call them vigilantes looking to inflame tensions - will hit the streets today with its controversial armed patrols.

Leaders of the group last week raised the hackles of cops and other city leaders by vowing to patrol Jewish neighborhoods such as Borough Park and Flatbush.

[lavaroise]

Of course, the Jew is blamed for all of Europe's muslim woes lately as well as in America by idiots.

[lavaroise]

I am not trying to make light of your statement,but this sounds almost like a Jewish Ghetto(with no derogatory term associated with "ghetto").

So? What's your irrelevant point?

[Aleksandar Vojvoda]

. In fact, some of those we fought against in the Cold War are now living in Israel and the state will not turn them over to answer for their crimes.

Shlomo Morel,perhaps?

[FormerLurker]

I would say that these people are perfectly within their rights as specified in the 2nd Amendment. As I recall, threats had been made that Jewish neighborhoods were targeted for terrorist attacks...

[lavaroise]

I see. The answer is "No.".

So I guess that makes you self-appointed concluder.

[Aleksandar Vojvoda]

How can there be ANY argument against Americans arming themselves to defend their wives and children from people WHOSE RELIGION DEMANDS THAT THEY KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS? Or is it only JEWISH Americans who should go quietly to their deaths again?

I belive that the Koran calls Jews and Christians "people of the book",and that they are not to be harmed.Jesus is also spoken of very respectfully in the Koran.Can you show me any Jewish quotes about Jesus?

[Aleksandar Vojvoda]

If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, they wouldn't have supported the Arabs who were killing the Jews.

Then why was the USSR so quick to recognize the state of Israel?Why did some of the first arms shipments to the state of Israel come from the Soviet block(Czechoslovakia)?

[Joshua Courtney]

The "Hitler was a Christian" argument fails on another level too. Christians were the ones who defeated Nazism. Christians defeated Stalin too. Not much help from the Jewish community in that last battle. In fact, some of those we fought against in the Cold War are now living in Israel and the state will not turn them over to answer for their crimes.

Can you actually ever open your mouth without lying and spewing your so-typical East European Jew hatred?

The Facts:

1) In fact, one and half million Jews in the diasapora fought in the armies of the allies during World War II. That you would deny these heroes the debt we all owe them speaks volumes about the depths to which you will sink in your quest to destroy the Jews.

2) Christians fought against Hitler not because of the Jews but in spite of them. And the Nazis in occupied Europe could never have murdered so many Jews without in many cases the almost complete co-operation of the peoples in the territories which were occupied. It was their Christian neighbours that betrayed the Jews to the Nazis. In many cases it was the Christians who actually murdered the Jews. It was they and not Germans or Nazis who in many cases manned the death squads and the death camps.

3) The Jew hating philosophy of the Nazis could never have been successful had it not been for the well over fifteen hundred years of Jew hatred that was sown and nurtured so carefully by the church and her many millions of followers. If anything, it was the Roman Catholic church's treatment of the Jews that provided the template for Hitler's Final Solution.

4) Which Christians were the most evil in this millenium and-a-half pogrom against the Jews? The Poles, the Lithuanians, the Hungarians, the Russians, the Croats, and of course the Serbs.

5) Like the typical Jew hater that you are you persistently blame all Jews for the actions of a few. As Anne Frank so wisely put it: "What one gentile does, he alone is responsible for. What one Jew does the whole race is responsible for."

What is it that you personally find so offensive about the Jews? Is it the incredible contribution they have made to to the world culture? Is it the material wealth they have created? Conscious as you are, not only of your personal lack of success, but also that of your own people, in comparison to the Jews, I suppose one can understand your deep and abiding jealousy. It's what drove the church and the Nazis. It's what built the gas chambers. And, Herr Lied, it's obviously what drives you.

[Aleksandar Vojvoda]

Deserted churches in Europe are turned into Mosques. Of course, the Jew is blamed for all of Europe's muslim woes lately as well as in America.

So what is getting burned,abandoned Synagogues?Why are Jews geting blamed for Muslim immigration?Germany has mainly Turkish Muslims,correct?France has Algerians and Moroccans?

[lavaroise]

So what is getting burned,abandoned Synagogues?Why are Jews geting blamed for Muslim immigration?Germany has mainly Turkish Muslims,correct?France has Algerians and Moroccans?

While Synagogues were burning, Vedrine, former minister of France, specificaly said that Jews, especialy American Jews were a problem in light of the Israeli counter-terrorism.

[Aleksandar Vojvoda]

While Synagogues were burning, Vedrine, former minister of France, specificaly said that Jews, especialy American Jews were a problem in light of the Israeli counter-terrorism.

Have their been any arrests?Were the Synagogues abandoned,or active?Were they completely burned down with all of the religioius scrolls?

[lavaroise]

One case in MArseille was completely burned to the ground, old scroll gone. But of course, when nations flounder and people are too cowardly to get people to fight back to rebuild, leaders can only seek motivation by proposing a form of looting. Today this looting is ideological tomorrow it will be real. When Arafat gets killed and the embargo on Israel will be set up, Jews who will supply food to Israel will be pogromised. Nations like Britain that contain the very AlQaeda cells will ironically blame Israel for terrorism.

[lavaroise]

THat is currently my bet as to what is going to happen. I hope I am wrong.

[Paleo Conservative]

They aren't vigilantes; they are a militia!

[Paleo Conservative]

Clinton was a christian too, Hitler was a christian too, is that the kind of argument you want to go about? Their faiths have been rejected, obviously, but like a German fasicst, when the question is "who is a Jew", I guess only you can say "who is a Jew enemy of the state". Bravo. Keep going. <

Hitler may have been raised as a Catholic, but as an adult he contemptuous or Christianity. He thougth it was a religion for weak people. If the Third Reich had not been overthrown by the allied invasion, Hitler would have erradicated practicing Christians the way he erradicated Jews.

[lavaroise]

I know, I was trying to denounce the "logic" of associating Jews with Shumer and Christians with Hilter.

[LarryLied]

I wonder if they have anything about East Prussia. Right after the war, the Soviets went in and killed all the civilians.

Jakub Berman was the brains behind much of what occurred in that area. He suggested to Stalin and carried out one of the largest relocations of people ever. Poland's borders were shifted to the west. In Polish history, Berman ranks right up there with Hitler and Stalin as a killer. Try finding out anything about Jakub Berman and his reign of terror after WWII though. He is a nonperson in politically correct circles.

Perhaps today it will be easier to find your relatives. I tired to find mine in the late 1960s . No trace of anyone in a family which owned a great deal of property and employed hundreds. All we have is one photograph and a few letters.

[ContentiousObjector]

why can't a Jew believe in Jesus?

Because if you believe in Jesus, you are a Christian, Not a Jew.

[wotan]

Because if you believe in Jesus, you are a Christian, Not a Jew.

You didn't really answer the question.

Why does Israel accept atheists with Jewish parents, but not Messianic Jews with Jewish parents?

[ContentiousObjector]

There is no such thing as a Messianic Jew, the point is moot