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'VIGILANTE' JEWS WILL SET FORTH A BATTLE PLAN
New York Post ^ | 6/16/02 | PHILIP MESSING

Posted on 06/16/2002 12:55:18 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:06:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

June 16, 2002 -- The Jewish Defense Group - which says it wants to protect its neighborhood even as critics call them vigilantes looking to inflame tensions - will hit the streets today with its controversial armed patrols.

Leaders of the group last week raised the hackles of cops and other city leaders by vowing to patrol Jewish neighborhoods such as Borough Park and Flatbush.


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To: Yehuda
I don't care if Jews in NYC walk around with shotguns. I didn't support the laws making it illegal. When they go to jail, they can blame Chucky Schumer and his friends, not me.
101 posted on 06/16/2002 5:13:47 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: DBtoo
It has nothing to do with the crowd we hang with. It has to do with observations. I am not saying all Jews hate Christians, but a fair number of them don't think too highly of them, while the Christians look up to the Jews. The crowd we hang with is more interested in fishing and building cabins and many have never even met a Jew. One guy here even asked me what a Jewish person is. He didn't know anything about them except they are some sort of group of people that you hear about every now and then.

Dboo, observations of what? You say that many of your friends haven't even met a single Jew in their life. So, how do you come up with a representative sampling from which to draw such a conclusion that (a) "a fair number [of Jews] don't think too highly of [Christians]"; or (b) that "the Christians look up to the Jews"? How do you calculate a 'fair number'? And, how can someone grow to adulthood in the USA or be a Christian, and not know what a Jew "is"? I've known lots of Jews...and Christians...and Hindus...and agnostics...and atheists....personally, and from business interactions, Dboo. Also, i have both Judaic and Christian familial religious roots. My experience, Dboo, is that we (i.e., anyone of any religion or no religion) don't "look up" to each other based upon our respective religions; we accept each other, and give each other the respect that is due based on our demonstrated character, not our religion. A schmuck is a schmuck; a mench is a mench; in any religion. ;-) (and my yiddish spelling sucks, lol)
104 posted on 06/16/2002 5:18:52 AM PDT by DontMessWithMyCountry
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To: thud
These folks need to patrol American universities.
105 posted on 06/16/2002 5:19:17 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: DBtoo
p.s. sorry i misspelled your name, DBtoo ;-)
106 posted on 06/16/2002 5:21:49 AM PDT by DontMessWithMyCountry
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To: LarryLied
Read this. It is safe. It was presented at a Holocaust museum.

And it proves what besides your prosecutorial evil on Jews?

107 posted on 06/16/2002 5:24:34 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
I don't care if Jews in NYC walk around with shotguns. I didn't support the laws making it illegal. When they go to jail, they can blame Chucky Schumer and his friends, not me.

I see that your cowardice in upholding the laws of this nation may try to hide itself behind this blame of the Jew thing. Hitler too purported to rebuild the nation by supporting its looting or by disinteresting the people in the Holocaust as you are doing - while you blame Jews for disinteresting people on the "other holocaust".

108 posted on 06/16/2002 5:26:53 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
It proves those who deny who was involved in The Forgotten Holocaust are wrong.
109 posted on 06/16/2002 5:27:57 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: AppyPappy
The Jews didn't run the Soviet Union, but in the early days quite a few of the Bolsheviks were Jewish. No one is perfect!
110 posted on 06/16/2002 5:29:48 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: lavaroise
I am not a Christian.
I am not a socialist.
I certainly don't want to look in your bedroom.
Your statements are recklessly false.
I reported your gratuitous insult to the Free Republic thought police.
111 posted on 06/16/2002 5:44:04 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan
What about the right to keep and bear arms?

You mean the one that applies to Congress?

Or is there one that applies to New York?

112 posted on 06/16/2002 5:57:36 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: LarryLied;All
I wonder if they have anything about East Prussia. Right after the war, the Soviets went in and killed all the civilians. They actually sent in ethnic Chechyans to do the job because they were good at that sort of thing even back then. Konigsberg, which was a 750 year old city at the time, was totally destroyed. My grandfather and his parents were from East Prussia, and a couple of years ago I tried to find some information about them. I just wanted to know something about my grandfather. But the few records that managed to remain were moved to Hamburg. I found out nothing. I always wondered and still do about my grandfather and his family. All I have are names and dates of births and birthplaces. The Soviets renamed Konigsberg Kaliningrad, and turned it into a military base. Now days, the Russians have become interested in the old city and what life was like there before it was destroyed. I guess that's just the way history goes. The sinful nature of people causes lots of grief to everyone.
113 posted on 06/16/2002 5:59:32 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
But I am always wondering why people are the way they are, and these days I wonder why certain groups of Arabs seem so fond of killing and torturing people. Is it environment? Is there a genetic component? I do know that in Israel they are doing some excellent research on human genetics. I wonder if our genes are our blueprints given to us by God, to work out whatever issues we need to work on in this life.

I do not like trying to explain things because I fall into complex modelings that are not really right. But attempting to model without modeling can lead one to separate all models in the end from reality. So exposing models fills the spaces of lies that hopefuly will reveal the location of truth.

According to the Bible, the perfect genes lay in the tree. According to many naturalists, plants are perfect. Both religious and non- religous people agree on that ecosystem truth. Animals and people are consumers of those plants and trees. They are ravenous consumers, and it is in their genes to consume each other, even consuming the strong emotions, models and ideologies that come with it.

When meditating away from consumption, and blocking consumption out, one can start seeing that there is something other than consumption that makes us superior to animals - there is something other than physics. The understanding that we need to respect the tree first and foremost is a great clue as to what this spiritual world is all about. The second clue is that though we are potentialy invadors of the tree, our existence is still needed, if not more important than the tree itself. Existing to feeding G_d as the tree feeds is the exchange. Risking our lives to keep alive only to be devoured is the same risk the tree was put under. If we are superior to the tree, why should we not be able to bear the same risks, at the very least? After all, we are the consumers of the tree, we were the ones who stole the fruit, we are more guilty than the tree.

Last but not least, the tree is a providing machine, while us, as a consuming machine, have, on the other hand, the option to provide and to construct ourselves for providing, or at least exchanging. The tree has no such option. This leaves us with submitting ourselves to some brownian switching between consuming and providing. However this never happens smoothly, for there is the risk of being eaten too. There is not a single person that will honestly submit themselves to such brownian motion, though J_sus implied it by comparing us to sheeps respecting the tree only eating the grass - a compromise. And people, nations and saints have adopted that system of humble restrained consumption avoiding starvation, a system that should make the humble consumer richer than the tree and blessings rich Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden still.

None can reach G_d, so we will follow J_sus. That the state should have power over the trees and men over mere grass, was a winning compromise solution indeed - where people could keep to J_sus words while allowed to consume idolatry to the state. The success of the "grass" eaters over the state, however, has brought up a cheating of the deal with the anti-Christ.

On the other hand, the prosecutors of J_sus professed the right to enjoy both trees and grass, as a perfect right. The hypocrisy was that these people were not capable of protecting either, let alone at the same time.

While such sin that prevents us from providing exists to put us down, it also is a joyful proof of the existence of heaven. If sin did not exist, then the world would be perfect and would not need G_d. In my opinion, Jews are there to prove the existence of sin and hence G_d, while Christians are there to prove that one need not be concerned with sin so long as one consumes humbly as a sheep. In effect, the Christian is able to live in sin and to beat evil at its own game. There are many other various different roles that can be learned from both approaches.

114 posted on 06/16/2002 6:03:04 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: wotan
Good, gossiping about FR, calling it the FR thought police, gossiping about me, and gossiping about Israel and Jews, all are things that I am sure will make you only wrong.
115 posted on 06/16/2002 6:22:51 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
It proves those who deny who was involved in The Forgotten Holocaust are wrong.

Like this has anything to do with the right of Jews to bear arms in NY? It proves you are irrelevant.

116 posted on 06/16/2002 6:26:51 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: DontMessWithMyCountry
I've only lived here for 3 years, but I've lived in lots of different places. I know it sounds crazy for someone to not even know what a Jewish person is! I live in very rural Alaska now, close to Siberia, and the man I'm talking about moved here from West Virginia around 30 years ago, and he didn't go past 8th grade. He's really nice though, and one day he asked me if I knew what a Jew was. He asked, is it a race? Are they from some country? A religion? So I told him. He has always lived in the boonies and he just didn't know!

I have known so many people; I've worked and been around people from different countries and religions, and I've lived overseas myself. I have known some Christian people, and they tend to think that the Jews are Gods chosen people. What I don't quite understand is that they think you must believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins in order to go to Heaven, but Jewish people have a special clause by way of being Jewish that exempts them from this rule. I've never quite understood that line of reasoning. Also, my good friend whom I've known since we were 11, grew up Catholic and converted to Judaism. She did this about 10 years ago, and went through all the stuff of what they have to do. She has learned Hebrew and is very active in her Synogogue. Her parents think she is a little nuts but she has always been very interested in religion and felt being Jewish went along with her true beliefs.

I have run into some Jewish people who do look down on Christians, thinking of them as Tammy Faye Baker types or those Christians in Appaliachia (sp) who play with snakes to prove their faith. People do tend to stereotype. I don't judge people by their religion, I like people who are nice and not cruel. My step-grandfather was Jewish. My grandmother remarried after my grandfather was killed, but Frank was Jewish, so they had to escape to the US. It was a wild story, but they made it and settled in Washington DC. My mother who was not Jewish so was in no danger, stayed in Austria until after the war, and then she came over.

117 posted on 06/16/2002 6:38:07 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: DontMessWithMyCountry
That's okey!
118 posted on 06/16/2002 6:39:57 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: lavaroise
Good, gossiping about FR, calling it the FR thought police, gossiping about me, and gossiping about Israel and Jews, all are things that I am sure will make you only wrong.

Hmmm.

By the way, are you going to learn to write and speak English soon?

119 posted on 06/16/2002 6:45:28 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan
By the way, are you going to learn to write and speak English soon?

Like you have a title to the US accademy of Litterature to make such judgments. I guess you are good about gossiping about yourself too.

120 posted on 06/16/2002 6:50:12 AM PDT by lavaroise
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