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To: newgeezer, All
The more information I get on this lastest arrest the more nervous I am getting. The US Attorney NY and the US Government could not prove in Federal Court its case to further detainment this guy, so it was decided to give it to the Military. If we are going to suspend Habeas Corpus I wish someone would have the guts to say so.

My problem is that this is a US Citizen, more than likely a damgerous one. Now why in the hell couldn't the US Attorney prove this guy was a National Security risk in Federal Court? Heck Iam told even the Judge in the case was getting pissed.

I have no problem with detaining people who are a National Security risk, but heck not to the extent of pissing on the Constitution. Suspend Habeas Corpus or follow the rule of law.

If there is a constitutional laywer at FR, someone explain this to me.

616 posted on 06/10/2002 1:17:55 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: PoppingSmoke
from the Constitution Society

Article the seventh [Amendment V]

No person[does not say "citizen"] shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Article the eighth [Amendment VI]

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

627 posted on 06/10/2002 1:29:47 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: PoppingSmoke
Now why in the hell couldn't the US Attorney prove this guy was a National Security risk in Federal Court?

Because he would have to reveal his information, and revealing the information would reveal the SOURCES.

Moussaoui's judge is trying to force the government to reveal where it is getting its information on him, something the government clearly does not want to do, nor should it.

642 posted on 06/10/2002 1:50:32 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: PoppingSmoke
"The more information I get on this lastest arrest the more nervous I am getting. The US Attorney NY and the US Government could not prove in Federal Court its case to further detainment this guy, so it was decided to give it to the Military"

That isn't what happened with this guy at all...given new information, his status appears to have changed from being a prisoner held on state charges to a prisoner held on international conspiracy to commit terrorist acts against Americans charges....which is a biiig change. His situation is worse, not better.

648 posted on 06/10/2002 1:58:22 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: PoppingSmoke
There is no article.. and I just happened to see this while scanning past, so if I make a wrong assumption please forgive me.

This is a US citizen that's not going to be tried in Court?

Is that right? What's the proposed alternative and why?

764 posted on 06/10/2002 4:41:09 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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