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Breaking: John Ashcroft says U.S. disrupted plans to attack U.S. with "dirty" radiation bomb.

Posted on 06/10/2002 7:30:38 AM PDT by Dales

Breaking now. Details shortly


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; dirtybombplot; padilla
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To: the new spoosman
You are one sick puppy, Dude. See ya.
821 posted on 06/10/2002 7:11:50 PM PDT by Arizflash
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To: PoppingSmoke
You still on here talkin about this same stuff? You got nothin better to do? Or, you being paid by the word or something?
822 posted on 06/10/2002 7:17:06 PM PDT by Arizflash
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To: Arizflash
I am still working tonight, I got to get a new life!
823 posted on 06/10/2002 7:21:32 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: NautiNurse
Thanks, that is the picture I was refering too.

It is a very good likeness, enough to be covered up no doubt.

824 posted on 06/10/2002 7:23:26 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: jwalsh07
My question on this,

Does the Quirin case make it a legal precedent for US citizens? It was my understanding the case had non-citizens as defendents.

825 posted on 06/10/2002 7:24:49 PM PDT by cascademountaineer
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To: cascademountaineer
All except petitioner Haupt are admittedly citizens of the From Quirin:

German Reich, with which the United States is at war. Haupt came to this country with his parents when he was five years old; it is contended that he became a citizen of the United States by virtue of the naturalization of his parents during his minority and that he has not since lost his citizenship. The Government, however, takes the position that on attaining his majority he elected to maintain German allegiance and citizenship or in any case that he has by his conduct renounced or abandoned his United States citizenship.

Or to put it another way, he made his bed and he got to sleep in it...

Forever.

826 posted on 06/10/2002 7:30:10 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
And you can damn well bet the FBI was well aware of this one too!
827 posted on 06/10/2002 7:31:44 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
You mean KPLS 830 AM. I'm tuned in now.
828 posted on 06/10/2002 7:33:45 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: PoppingSmoke
I do know that naturalized citizens can be stripped of citizenship especially if charged for treason. I am not so sure about American Born. I do know that my passport tells me I have renounced my US citizenship if I take up arms against the United States.
829 posted on 06/10/2002 7:35:54 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: tray-sea
That's all well and good to hear of this guy going straight into DOD custody -- but does anyone else find it unsettling that this story breaks and now we're just supposed to feel like it's all over, nothing to worry about -- foiled the attack.

Now, now, don't worry your pretty little head about that -- the secret police are on our side and keeping us safe. Thats the important thing.

830 posted on 06/10/2002 7:36:47 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I'm listening right now!
831 posted on 06/10/2002 7:39:03 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: annieokie
Went back and re-read his arrest history, etc. It appears he could have been out of prison in 1995. The eyebrows are uncanny in resemblance--it's the chin that's not the same. Here's the 1991 arrest photo added to the composite.


832 posted on 06/10/2002 7:39:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: Dales
Hey! Did Mr. 'Smiley Face Bomber' (ya know the WHITE guy) get turned over to the DOD for tribunal on treason charges?

Funny how that works.

833 posted on 06/10/2002 7:44:43 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: jwalsh07
The Constitutional right to habeus corpus was denied becuase of the circumstances, one of which being , they were trying to kill American civilians.

Wow, just like gang members huh.

834 posted on 06/10/2002 7:47:10 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: NautiNurse
The nose shape, the form of the upper/lower lips, as well as the overall bone structure: All nearly identical. I believe this is the same man.
835 posted on 06/10/2002 7:47:39 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Jhoffa_
"We profile all the time because we have statistics to guide us."

My problem with the profiling thing isn't about civil rights, or abuses of power. I just don't think profiling will be very accurate, or effective.

While we look for Arab looking guys, the Basque terrorists will cruise by, or the French ones, or the Japanese ones, or the Germans.

Terrorists are a network, as Bush said, but that network isn't limited to Muslims.

836 posted on 06/10/2002 7:51:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: jwalsh07
It is my understanding the defendents were not American citizens. Therefore, it may not have precedence in cases involving US citizens.

All petitioners were tried under war crimes statutes not as enemy combatants. So I believe the arrest is valid. However, his confinement is what will be the question.

I really dont see a problem with locking this guy up forever for what he was planning, He has lost his rights as a US citizen and and has actually become a combatant and can be confined legally. He will most likely be tried in a civilian court of law

but the problem is if this case does not indeed set precedent for US citizens, somewhere out there an enterprising attorney will challenge this under habeus corpus. It could end up going all the way to the federal superior court and possibly to the Supreme Court on Constitutional issues. And if that does happen, it could have detrimental effects for our ability to hold even the prisoners in GitMo. Do you see where Im going with this?

My guess is this is leading to a case not of planning to execute violence but actually High Treason instead hence the confinement.

837 posted on 06/10/2002 7:59:16 PM PDT by cascademountaineer
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Absolutely more similarities than differences.
Ears match too. MSNBC has a story about him. While his
arrest record is lengthy, he had respite from the prison
system in 1993, when he converted to Islam. He had a
Florida address through 1997, although they lost track
of him before then. A Life In The Margins Assumes High Profile
838 posted on 06/10/2002 8:02:23 PM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: Dales
Congrats....looks like you posted a 1000 hitter here. Funny how it evolved into a Constitution and Profiling etc. duel rather quickly.
839 posted on 06/10/2002 8:05:01 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: cascademountaineer
This could shed some light on what the administration is thinking ie they may be ready to strip this guy of citizenship

ADVICE ABOUT POSSIBLE LOSS OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP
AND FOREIGN MILITARY SERVICE

A U.S. citizen who is a resident or citizen of a foreign country may be subject to compulsory military service in that country. Although the United States opposes service by U.S. citizens in foreign armed forces, there is little that we can do to prevent it since each sovereign country has the right to make its own laws on military service and apply them as it sees fit to its citizens and residents.

Such participation by citizens of our country in the internal affairs of foreign countries can cause problems in the conduct of our foreign relations and may involve U.S. citizens in hostilities against countries with which we are at peace. For this reason, U.S. citizens facing the possibility of foreign military service should do what is legally possible to avoid such service.

Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S., 163 U.S. 632 (1985), the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in he United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice.

Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

The rest is Here

840 posted on 06/10/2002 8:16:27 PM PDT by Texasforever
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