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Jewish Group to Start Armed Patrols of Brooklyn
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Posted on 06/09/2002 5:20:38 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Jun 9, 2002

Jewish Group to Start Armed Patrols of Brooklyn, Rabbi Says By Ted Shaffrey Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - Citizens armed with shotguns will patrol the streets of the heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhoods because of comments a suspected terrorist made about targeting them, a rabbi said.

The patrols, to begin June 16, are in response to comments Abdul Rahman Yasin made during an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" on June 2, said Rabbi Yakove Lloyd, founder and president of the right-wing Jewish Defense Group.

Yasin, who is sought by the FBI in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, said in an interview from a compound in Iraq that he and his accomplices originally targeted heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

They later decided to attack the twin towers because they believed most of their occupants were Jewish, Yasin said. Six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured in the 1993 bombing.

The largest segment of the population in the Borough Park and southern Flatbush neighborhoods is Hassidic and Orthodox Jews. There are 290 synagogues in the area.

Lloyd said the street patrols would include 50 to 200 people of various religious faiths, mainly Jews, carrying shotguns in bags, along with people licensed to own and carry other types of firearms. Others will carry bats, pipes, cell phones and walkie-talkies and will patrol the streets daily from 9 p.m. until 3 a.m. except Friday, the Jewish Sabbath.

"This will be a very effective deterrent against terrorism directed at American Jews and other targets," Lloyd said.

The rabbi criticized the police department for not adequately protecting the neighborhoods and said, "the only people who will view us as vigilantes already look at us that way anyway."

It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, New York Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said. She said it was unclear whether carrying one in a bag is illegal.

"We'll monitor the (patrols), and if there needs to be police action taken, it will be taken," said St. Rose, who declined to say how many officers routinely patrol the neighborhoods.

A community leader from Williamsburg, another heavily Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn, said he opposes the armed patrols.

"The Jewish community condemns such a thing. We don't need it. We can't have civilians running around with guns. It's going to look like Beirut here," said Isaac Abraham.

The Jewish Defense Group is "a group of men and women who are proud to be Jews" and are committed to defending, demonstrating and rallying for Jewish causes and against anti-Semitism, according to its Web site.

The JDG, founded by Lloyd in Queens in 1985, says it follows the principles of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.

In January, JDL chairman Irv Rubin and a group member were charged with conspiring to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in California. Rubin and his co-defendant, Earl Krugel, pleaded innocent and are scheduled to go on trial Oct. 1.

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1 posted on 06/09/2002 5:20:38 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
"Lloyd said the street patrols would include 50 to 200 people of various religious faiths, mainly Jews, carrying shotguns in bags, along with people licensed to own and carry other types of firearms. Others will carry bats, pipes, cell phones and walkie-talkies and will patrol the streets daily from 9 p.m. until 3 a.m. except Friday, the Jewish Sabbath."

Taking back America.....one community at a time....

2 posted on 06/09/2002 5:23:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Sub-Driver
Go for it! Protect yourselves. The cops obviously won't do it............
3 posted on 06/09/2002 5:27:33 PM PDT by SeaDragon
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To: Sub-Driver
A God-Fearing Jew with a gun will make the diaperheads run!
4 posted on 06/09/2002 5:29:16 PM PDT by CanadianFella
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Hey, if you want to blow up a synagogue in Flatbush, you may get shot. Try a suicide bombing in Bensonhurst, you may be taken out first.

No more defenseless Jews waiting to be slaughtered, this time by Arab terrorists.

5 posted on 06/09/2002 5:35:31 PM PDT by catonsville
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To: CanadianFella
NRA membership should be on the rise in Brooklyn!!
6 posted on 06/09/2002 5:37:28 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Sub-Driver
Community militias (like most human things) have good and bad elements--they're more reliable to be around than the police (unless you're living in a rich neighborhood), and will be more effective at preventing crimes and tracking down criminals; however, they're generally poorly-trained and inexperienced, as well as being prone to excesses in the heat of the moment (Lincoln made a few speeches in regard to this).
7 posted on 06/09/2002 5:37:47 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: Sub-Driver
I respectfully suggest that they recruit some Christians to patrol on the Sabbath. Otherwise, that is when they will be vulnerable.
8 posted on 06/09/2002 5:41:27 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Not if there is an eruv - then they can carry stuff on the Sabbath. Furthermore, there is no problem of muktza in a sofuk pikuach nefesh.

Translation :-) By symbolically combining the whole Jewish neighborhood into 1 giant private domain, the issue of carrying in a public one is moot. Furthermore, since there is a possibility of danger to self or others, all Rabbinic restrictions on touching/carrying items with no normal use on the Sabbath are waived.

Ari

9 posted on 06/09/2002 6:08:22 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: Miss Marple
I respectfully suggest that they recruit some Christians to patrol on the Sabbath. Otherwise, that is when they will be vulnerable.

EXCELLENT idea! And quite ingenious, I must say.

(gee, who'da imagined I would ever post agreement with Miss Marple... ;-)

10 posted on 06/09/2002 6:11:48 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Sub-Driver
Citizens armed with shotguns will patrol the streets of the heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhoods because of comments a suspected terrorist made about targeting them, a rabbi said.

KOOL!

11 posted on 06/09/2002 6:13:48 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Sub-Driver
That's what I call chutzpah! Real Brooklyn attitude. Now if only Sharon would borrow some of it from JDL or from Netanyahu and take Arafat and his gang out, for once and for all!
12 posted on 06/09/2002 6:19:26 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Sub-Driver
Where is the ACLU demanding that they cease and desist? Terrorists have the right to terrorize, you know.
13 posted on 06/09/2002 6:26:59 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: RichardsSweetRose; Eyes Now Opened; All
Did no one see the attempted smear in the last three lines of the article?:

The Jewish Defense Group is "a group of men and women who are proud to be Jews" and are committed to defending, demonstrating and rallying for Jewish causes and against anti-Semitism, according to its Web site.

The JDG, founded by Lloyd in Queens in 1985, says it follows the principles of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.

In January, JDL chairman Irv Rubin and a group member were charged with conspiring to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in California. Rubin and his co-defendant, Earl Krugel, pleaded innocent and are scheduled to go on trial Oct. 1.

No other mention of the Jewish Defense League or the difference between the two groups. This is pure BS on the part of AP - are we surprised?

All together now...

NO!

14 posted on 06/09/2002 6:34:39 PM PDT by Liberty Belle
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To: Sub-Driver
btt
15 posted on 06/09/2002 6:54:06 PM PDT by sport
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To: AAABEST
"Citizens armed with shotguns will patrol the streets of the heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhoods because of comments a suspected terrorist made about targeting them, a rabbi said."

I suggest either of two riot guns - the Mossberg 590 (pump) or the Benelli M1 Super 90 (semi).

Both are thoroughly reliable. Though the Benelli costs more than some other semi shotguns, it's the only one of them I'd bet my life on.

GUN REVIEWS free from ad-money bias - including riot shotguns!

16 posted on 06/09/2002 7:10:57 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: goodnesswins
So they are going to be profiling? Guess they'll be able to protect themselves. Back to the basics of the constitution,
17 posted on 06/09/2002 7:36:25 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark
Profiling? HA.....YUP, I'm SURE they will be, just like THEY are being PROFILED by a certain JIHAD group. Maybe they can teach a few other American's what it means to be FREE!!!!
18 posted on 06/09/2002 7:37:50 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Sub-Driver; floriduh voter; EternalVigilance; ~EagleNebula~
"The Jewish community condemns such a thing. We don't need it. We can't have civilians running around with guns. It's going to look like Beirut here," said Isaac Abraham.

Pay very close attention to Isaac Abraham's phrasing. His use of the term "civilians" is typical radical liberal BS. He incorrectly uses the term as; "those who are not members of law enforcement". The accurate use is; "those who are not members of the armed forces of the United States."

This distinction is important. Civilian citizens of the United States have the absolute right of self-defense. It is also an obligation. Law enforcement officers are also civilians. They have a very tough job. As sworn agents of government, they have a higher accountability than nonsworn citizens. They also have a degree of "sovereign immunity" from prosecution for their actions while in pursuit of their duty. This does not and cannot relieve nonsworn citizens of their right of and obligation to self-defense!

Isaac Abraham should remember he is a citizen of the United States. As such, by federal law, he is a member of the militia. If the militia is called up, he ceases to be a "civilian". Until then, he and the law enforcement officers in his jurisdiction are all civilians.

19 posted on 06/09/2002 8:00:48 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Sub-Driver
I think I'd rather carry a combat shotgun than a cell phone, but why not both? There's not much chance of getting them mixed up.
20 posted on 06/09/2002 8:19:55 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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