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Pilot Charged in Carry - On Gun Case
News from the A.P./The New York Times ^ | June 8, 2002 | The Associated press

Posted on 06/08/2002 2:20:45 PM PDT by ladybast

Filed at 2:59 p.m. ET

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- An American Airlines pilot faces misdemeanor charges for toting a loaded gun in his carry-on baggage while trying to board a plane at the San Diego airport.

William F. Blaylock told authorities he uses the gun for hunting and personal protection and had forgotten to remove it from his bag before heading to Lindbergh Field on April 23.

The weapon was detected during airport security screening.

On Friday, prosecutors filed two misdemeanor charges against Blaylock who, if convicted, faces up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. He has been free on bond since April 24 and will be arraigned next week.

The airline wouldn't comment.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: airsecurity; airtravel; armingpilots; banglist
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To: Orion
I must tell you, the support for this is huge

Good news. Your (I'm assuming you're a pilot) first demand should be that Mineta fire McGaw and that W fire Mineta.

41 posted on 06/08/2002 6:56:53 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Pilots I know are NOT for arming. Only ALPA and we know how they treat the airlines. You can trace allot of problems within airlines back to them.

OK...
If you are going to be reflexivly anti-union, please go through the trouble to verify your facts first, letst you come off as a moron.

Over 75% of pilots of all unions (all major airline pilots are unionized) are strongly in favor of arming pilots. The Allied Pilots Association (AA's union) was the first and the most vocal. ALPA's pilots (United, Delta, Northwest, US Airways, most of the regionals, etc) favor arming by the same percentages in all carriers. ALPA National originally opposed the idea at the behest of their Democrat handlers, but the groundswell changed that, and now ALPA fully supports the idea of arming pilots.

It is the ATA (the lobbying organization for all the airlines and their managements) that opposes this.

Now, about problems with the airlines, and the unions being at the source...

What do you reference as a problem? Is it the fact that almost every safety related item was the result of the unions pushing for them? Management has been dragged kicking and screaming at every turn with regard to safety. Read the front page of the 5/12 Dallas Morning News (no friend of unions). The latest battle is where the ATA wants pilots to be on duty for an indeterminite amount of time, with some being forced to be awake in excess of 24 hours with no relief. The Federal Aviation Regs state that a pilot's maximum day is 16 hours, which is the position of every union. The ATA says that as long as they schedule a pilot's day to be 15:59, they can fly him in excess if he is delayed. This delay has no limits (according to the ATA). They just got smacked by the FAA for this. Many believe the AA crash of 6/1/99

Please cite for me where the problems are. Do you think the arilines should be able to unilaterally change their contracts, or should they abide by them.

Do you support airlines getting from the government what they can not get at the bargaining table? Why or why not?

42 posted on 06/08/2002 7:03:22 PM PDT by Orion
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To: SBeck
Never happen. The airlines would just go out and hire hungry pilots from the regionals.

No one, NO ONE, has ever broken a pilot union. If a carrier needed to hire scabs, they would go bankrupt before they ever got a plane off the ground.

The largest carrier in the entire world, has the largest training facility in the entire world. With that, they can train about 200 pilots every six weeks (assuming they are competant pilots). They need about 10000 pilots to run the airline, if it ran according to their rules. That would take about 300 weeks to train that many pilots. Given that they would go bankrupt in about 10 weeks, what makes you think they would even try? Where are United, American, Delta, Northwest, Continental, US Airways, and Southwest going to find the 60000 pilots to fill their slots? There are not that many, unless you go to the Mid_east for pilots.

This is why pilots have the leverage they do during contract talks. Management knows that they need us more than we need them. It's a fact of life. Sorry, it is so.

43 posted on 06/08/2002 7:10:27 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Republic
This pilot actively demonstrates to me the NECESSITY of pilots having a gun as a last line of defence. I am sorry he got charged. Some laws are bad laws. Not allowing pilots to carry is one.

BTTT

44 posted on 06/08/2002 7:12:04 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Orion
I guess my time in Aviation is my reference.
45 posted on 06/08/2002 7:13:09 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Republic
This pilot actively demonstrates to me the NECESSITY of pilots having a gun as a last line of defence. I am sorry he got charged. Some laws are bad laws. Not allowing pilots to carry is one.

10-4. If any penalty is applied to this pilot there will be a big backlash from both pilots and the flying public IMHO.

46 posted on 06/08/2002 7:16:00 PM PDT by toddst
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To: Orion
Pace yourself. I have a feeling you're going to be on this thread for some time. ;-)
47 posted on 06/08/2002 7:19:36 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: RWG
What kind of hunting weapon can you put in a carry on piece of luggage?

You can hunt all kinds of stuff with a .44 magnum....

48 posted on 06/08/2002 7:20:54 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I guess my time in Aviation is my reference.

What pilots are you talking to? C-152 pilots out for their weekend thrill? Your post shows you know little, if any, about pilot issues.

49 posted on 06/08/2002 7:22:28 PM PDT by Orion
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To: ladybast
I must be confused. I thought it was illegal for a pilot to carry a gun onto an aircraft.
50 posted on 06/08/2002 7:28:11 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
Duhhh! Do ya think??
51 posted on 06/08/2002 7:33:34 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Orion
Thats fine. You can believe what you want. I dont need to explain myself on here, esp. to you, to make my point. I am satisfied with what a know. Cheers.
52 posted on 06/08/2002 7:44:26 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: sciencediet
I have already signed this one, and several more like it. I think there are 3 or 4 going around.
53 posted on 06/08/2002 7:53:08 PM PDT by basil
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To: Orion;RedBloodedAmerican
Orion, thanks for your service! It is without question that Pilots should ALWAYS be armed so-as to protect their good ship and crew and passengers!

RedBloodedAmerican, you're an asshole, devoid of any intellect! Go crawl back into Dassholes' jockstrap.

Hope I offended someone!...............FRegards

54 posted on 06/08/2002 7:56:19 PM PDT by gonzo
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To: leadpenny
But what about the "Rule of Law". Shouldn't this criminal be locked up?
55 posted on 06/08/2002 8:02:48 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: gonzo
Gosh, I guess you really told me. I feel so....bad...so...lonely...
56 posted on 06/08/2002 8:16:34 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: SBeck; myrddin

The REAL myrddin.....

AGYG <----ducking now!

57 posted on 06/08/2002 9:13:44 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: DWSUWF
Because the airlines are utterly unconcerned with passenger and crew safety. They won't insist on common-sense measures such as armed pilots (or at least a pilot's option of being armed) and are leaving this particular man to twist in the wind.

If this guy gets convicted/fined/jailed the ALPA union should strike. Shut the country's skies down for a week or two and get Congress off their collective asses to arm the pilots.

58 posted on 06/08/2002 9:14:00 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Orion
What the pilots union must do is appeal directly to the American Flying Public. They need to strike for one week. They should announce the reason for the strike is the right to bear arms in the defense of the airplane and thus the flying publics lives. The support would be incredible. When you are allowed to carry in the cockpit the first airline that announces that they support and encourage their pilots to be armed will get my business for a long time.
59 posted on 06/08/2002 9:48:14 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: Myrddin
HELLOFAHANDCANNON!

Guys used to bring their big toys to the range I worked at in San Diego -- see who could make the loudest noise, largest muzzle blast, etc. -- such hand cannons as the .44 Mag and .50 A&E Desert Eagles, .454 Casul, 30-30 Contender, etc.

The .454 Casul is a show stopper -- more energy at 100 yards than the .357 Mag has at the muzzle. My hands are too small for me to shoot it comfortably, but the three shots I managed were about as much fun as I have ever had with a hand cannon! I am reminded that at full recoil (shooting off hand) the hammer spur is only inches away from the shooter's forehead!

60 posted on 06/08/2002 10:16:57 PM PDT by Taxman
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