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JUDGE FINDS AMISH GUILTY!
AP Wire | June 6, 2002 | DAN LEWERENZ

Posted on 06/06/2002 1:29:17 PM PDT by NYer

EBENSBURG, Pa. (AP) _ A judge ruled an ultraconservative Amish congregation must use orange-and-red reflective triangles on their buggies, symbols the group says violate their beliefs against gaudy decorations and against placing their faith in man-made symbols before God.

Donna Doblick, the Pittsburgh attorney representing the Swartzentruber Amish for free, said she'll appeal the ruling to Pennsylvania Superior Court. That means the $95 fines assessed to 20 sect members for failing to use the slow-moving vehicle symbols will be held in abeyance until the appeal is heard.

Also, the Swartz'ntruber, who said they'll leave Pennsylvania if they lose the case, will likely remain near Nicktown, about 65 miles east of Pittsburgh, while the appeal is heard, Doblick said. Instead of the triangles, the Swartzentruber prefer to use a gray reflective tape and a lantern on the rear of their buggies. The gray tape is legal in nine states for use on slow moving vehicles, including Ohio, where the sect lived until two years ago.

But Cambria County Judge Timothy Creany ruled that the state can abridge the Swartzentruber's religious beliefs because it has a ``compelling interest'' _ namely, keeping the Amish and other vehicles safe on public roads. Creany relied on testimony given last month by state transportation experts, who said the triangles are more visible than the tape during thE dqy _ when statistics show about 61 percent of all vehicle-buggy accidents occur.

Doblick said those statistics don't prove anything, however, because they don't show how the accidents occurred or who was at fault. ``There's no evidence any of those crashes were from the rear (where the reflective symbols are mounted on buggies), or a lack of visibility,'' Doblick said. ``There's no evidence that any of those crashes could have been prevented by bathing the vehicle in color.''

The Cambria County District Attorney's Office didn't immediately return calls for comment on the decision.

AP-ES-06-06-02 1606EDT


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To: A.J.Armitage
I didn't know they had beards but no moustaches, let alone why. But now I've begun my journey of knowledge, so why not tell me why?

Because when the Amish started out a few hundred years ago in Germany, moustaches were associated with the military. Since the Amish beliefs told them to avoid the military profession they also avoided the moustaches. That is why there are no Amish with moustaches.

41 posted on 06/06/2002 2:43:15 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: A.J.Armitage
See #28
42 posted on 06/06/2002 2:43:49 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: Mr. Lucky
In humor, as in music, it's tough to beat the classics.

Amish Paradise

by "Weird" Al Yankovic

Tune: Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio


Lyrics:

As I walk through the valley where I harvest my grain
I take a look at my wife and realize she's very plain
But that's just perfect for an Amish like me
You know, I shun fancy things like electricity
At 4:30 in the morning I'm milkin' cows
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows... fool
And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone
I'm a man of the land, I'm into discipline
Got a Bible in my hand and a beard on my chin
But if I finish all of my chores and you finish thine
Then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699

We been spending most our lives
Living in an Amish paradise
I've churned butter once or twice
Living in an Amish paradise
It's hard work and sacrifice
Living in an Amish paradise
We sell quilts at discount price
Living in an Amish paradise

A local boy kicked me in the butt last week
I just smiled at him and turned the other cheek
I really don't care, in fact I wish him well
'Cause I'll be laughing my head off when he's burning in hell
But I ain't never punched a tourist even if he deserved it
An Amish with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of
I never wear buttons but I got a cool hat
And my homies all I agree I look good in black... fool
If you come to visit, you'll be bored to tears
We haven't even paid the phone bill in 300 years
But we ain't really quaint, so please don't point and stare
We're just technologically impaired

There's no phone, no lights, no motorcar
Not a single luxury
Like Robinson Caruso
It's as primitave as can be

We been spending most our lives
Living in an Amish paradise
We're just plain and simple guys
Living in an Amish paradise
There's no time for sin and vice
Living in an Amish paradise
We don't fight, we all play nice
Living in an Amish paradise

Hitchin' up the buggy, churnin' lots of butter
Raised a barn on Monday, soon I'll raise another
Think you're really rightous? Think you're pure in heart?
Well, I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art
I'm the pious guy the little Amlettes wanna be like
On my knees day and night scorin' points for the afterlife
So don't be vain and don't be whiny
Or else, my brother, I might just have to get medieval on your heinie

We been spending most our lives
Living in an Amish paradise
We're all crazy Mennonites
Living in an Amish paradise
There's no cops or traffic lights
Living in an Amish paradise
But you'd probably think it bites
Living in an Amish paradise

43 posted on 06/06/2002 2:45:01 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: AmishDude
town of Blue Ball
There is such a place, BTW.
Must not be close to "Intercourse, PA" then. LOL

44 posted on 06/06/2002 2:46:31 PM PDT by Danielle
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Amish are in the Midwestern rural areas of a lot of states. Northeast Indiana has a big concration of Amish. Also East-Central Ohio. The strangest thing is when I ran across some Amish while visiting South Carolina. Somehow I couldn't get used to Amish alternately speaking with thick southern accents and then switching to their German dialect.
45 posted on 06/06/2002 2:46:48 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Danielle
Blue Ball is not far from Intercourse, but Bird-in-Hand is in-between the two.
46 posted on 06/06/2002 2:49:56 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
Blue Ball sounds like a place where Tom Green would fit right in........
47 posted on 06/06/2002 2:50:52 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: Alouette
The Electric Amish
48 posted on 06/06/2002 2:51:01 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Prodigal Daughter
A lot of what looks like Amish are actually Mennonites. Mennonites are similar to Amish but they can drive cars and wear regular clothes. For a long time, Mennonites were happy to wear regular clothes but then they noticed a strange thing. Tourists wanted to see their Amish neighbors dressed in the simple clothes. Since tourism is good for the local economy, a lot of Mennonites started wearing Amish clothes again and passed themselves off as Amish. It was sort of like Disneyworld where they have people dressed up as Mickey or Donald. In the case of the Mennonites, they put on Amish costurmes. A good rule of thumb I learned in Shipshewana is that is the Amish person you are talking to is wearing a beeper on the belt (as an "Amish" waitress serving me some food was doing), then it is good bet it is really a Mennonite in disguise.
49 posted on 06/06/2002 2:53:23 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: AmishDude
The Electric Amish

Do they do bar mitzvahs?

50 posted on 06/06/2002 3:01:38 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: NYer
When I took driver's ed I was taught horses have right of way. Has that changed ?
51 posted on 06/06/2002 4:16:31 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Alouette
If you want a funny movie, rent "For Richer, For Poorer" which is a film about how two hedonistic yuppies (Tim Allen, Kirstie Alley) hide out in Amish country while evading the IRS.

Extremely funny stuff.

52 posted on 06/06/2002 4:23:56 PM PDT by Orion
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To: BossLady
.just leave these people be....

Yep

53 posted on 06/06/2002 5:02:25 PM PDT by watcher1
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To: PJ-Comix
That's interesting: your #49. I'm sure these people were Amish. I went back to visit them maybe 7 years ago and like an idiot, I asked them if I could take their picture. (They don't believe in photography.).

This thread is incomplete. It needs some Amish recipes.

54 posted on 06/06/2002 5:39:12 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Amish Dude
Clinton appointees agree that this man's a spiritual example for us all...

Unclear on the Concept

In May, Scripps Howard News Service profiled former lawyer James Kelley of Washington, D.C., one of a small group at his local church who are enthusiastic Episcopalians but who do not believe in God. Said Kelley, "We all love the incense, the stained glass windows, the organ music, the vestments, and all of that. It's drama. It's aesthetics. It's the ritual. That's neat stuff. I don't want to give all that up, just because I don't believe in God."
Weird News, 1997

55 posted on 06/06/2002 7:00:23 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: NYer
If the Amish do not want to be protected by big brother then they should be left alone. I am rooting for the Amish. Leave them alone, if they lose this one then next they will be forcing them to buy cell phones so that they can be in constant communication with the traffic safety commission in the Hague. Why do people worry about these people? Leave them alone.
56 posted on 06/06/2002 7:04:11 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: NYer

57 posted on 06/06/2002 7:21:20 PM PDT by Sparkvark
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To: tracer
Triangulation............sounds like bubba is behind this.
59 posted on 06/06/2002 7:41:17 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: dfrussell
However, if they want to run their buggies on the public roads, they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

If I am not mistaken, Pennsylvania law states that motor vehicles are to yield right of way to horse drawn buggies and that the operators have to conceal the vehicle off th roads with whatever means necessary so as to not spook the horses.

---max

60 posted on 06/06/2002 7:42:10 PM PDT by max61
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