[BenF]

Not many.

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the genocide committed against the Native Americans....I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. My question was obnoxious and completely out of line given the subject of the thread. However, your response simply isn't true.

[JMJ333]

The crusades were against the moslems.

I also have a great article about the inquisition that pretty much deflates the liberal propaganda taught against Isabella and Spain during that time. If you want to read it, I will be happy to send it.

The slaughter of native Americans is not christians killing one another, and I am unsure why you bring that up. To outline that we really are the murderers instead of the sufferers?

And why are you trying to imply that we suffered and died by our own hands anyway? Do you have something against our suffering? Doest it bother you that we are persecuted? Why? What does it take away from Jewish suffering? Nothing. Have a little sympathy for us. I do for your people.

[JMJ333]

I saw that you were in a foul mood last night. Apology accepted. Christians have died though at the hands of others more often then at the hands of other Christians. Christians in China, Africa, and the Middle East are being heavily persecuted to this day. Catholic martyrology for 2001 alone was stunning.

[Salvation]

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the genocide committed against the Native Americans....

Ben,
The Catholic Church is composed of humans like you and me who are subject to error. In the examples you have given, yes, mistakes were made, apologies have been given (to those who wished to listen)and we can hope for a better world -- remembering that we are mere human beings trying to do God's will here on earth and not always succeeding.

[Antoninus]

Oh please! Your old tunes aren't going to play in this theater

The Crusades,

You mean Christendom's defensive reaction against imperialistic, militaristic Islam which had been over-running Christian peoples for centuries and was putting increasing pressure on the Christian Empire of Byzantium? You mean those Crusades?

the Inquisition,

How many "millions" were killed during the Inquisition?

the genocide committed against the Native Americans....

Yeah, committed against the Native Americans to a large extent BY Native Americans. Ask the Jesuit and Huron martyrs of the 17th century who the agressors were in colonial North America. What exactly happened to all the tribes of the Ohio Valley and the Susquehannocks in Pennsylvania and Maryland? How many of those conquering, imperialistic Iroquois were Christians? Eh?

[Phillip Augustus]

The Crusades were justified, Ben. That it is not to say that certain war-crimes were not committed by Crusaders, but the Crusades were a reasonable, legitimate response to nearly 500 years of aggressive Jihad. Remember, the Holy Land was Christian prior to the Crusades, and Islamized by the Jihad; North Africa was Christian prior to the Crusades and Islamized by the Jihad; and the same is true of Spain. It was time to meet the Jihad with an iron fist, and by golly the Crusaders went to do just that.