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The feces is hitting the air circulator.
1 posted on 05/29/2002 6:42:02 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
It sure is. No telling how dirty this will get. May as well get it cleaned up with one swipe.
2 posted on 05/29/2002 6:48:53 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: mdittmar
bump
 
Alex Jones has been on this for months.
3 posted on 05/29/2002 6:49:19 PM PDT by tomakaze
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To: mdittmar
All of this misdirection of counter terrorist investigations had to be going on for more than the 9 months of the Bush Administration. How come no one blew the whistle before - and why didn't they start coming out of the woodwork right after 911? Why wait until now? This gets curiouser and curiouser!
4 posted on 05/29/2002 6:49:56 PM PDT by jtill
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FBI Special Agent Robert G. Wright Jr. will hold a news conference Thursday in Washington to reveal FBI negligence and obstruction of counterterrorism investigations targeting Hamas and al-Qaeda.

More grandstanding (read: fundraising fodder) from Judicial Watch.

Mueller and Ashcroft announced a reorganization today, which means nobody cares what Schippers, Wright, and their pimp, Klayman, have to say.

5 posted on 05/29/2002 6:51:21 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: mdittmar
There are so many left-wing hate sights out there you need a Godly friend to do research anymore. It's scary how much hate flows out of these people for President Bush and non-leftists. Anyhow, the Wright story has been on the net for a while. How many Rats are working in the FBI? How many career Civil Service workers are working with the DNC to destroy the administration? William Pitt, one of the chief Rats says this about Wright (who was eager to share with fellow Rats):

In light of Brisard and Dasique's allegations, the last several days have offered a number of corroborating news stories. A twelve year veteran agent with the FBI named Robert G. Wright, Jr. has filed suit in Washington D.C.'s District Court alleging that the agency willfully ignored terrorist threats from Hamas. According to Wright, the FBI intentionally thwarted his efforts to curtail Hamas activities in America that threatened American citizens. Wright's lawsuit came one day after Congress chastised the FBI for failing to look into warnings from Arizona agents about suspicious Arab men seeking flight training at American aviation schools.

Wright has compiled a 500-page manuscript detailing the FBI's failures on the anti-terrorism front entitled, "Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission." If his work is allowed to be published, it may well authenticate concerns voiced by John O'Neill before his death. As it stands, the fact that an FBI agent has brought suit against the agency for intentionally ignoring terrorist threats against America lends a great deal of credence to the claims levied by Brisard and Dasique. The American television news magazine '60 Minutes' has entered the fray, recently airing a program that questioned the FBI's failure to follow up on a variety of leads prior to 9/11 that, if pursued, may well have thwarted the plot.
William Pitt, insultingly titled article, "Hell to Pay".

7 posted on 05/29/2002 6:57:35 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: mdittmar
Maybe this: http://rense.com/general25/fb.htm, is true then.
11 posted on 05/29/2002 6:59:06 PM PDT by floridarocks
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To: mdittmar
AKA: The fit is hitting the shan.

And what will tomorrow bring?

12 posted on 05/29/2002 6:59:35 PM PDT by Elenya
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No question that the FBI is still essentially the same as clinton left it--a corrupt mess. It's one of Bush's worst failures, not to clean up the messes clinton left in the FBI, the CIA, and the Pentagon--plus most of the other agencies.

But it's extremely doubtful that Larry Klayman will do anything useful about this dismal situation. It's just another fund-raising ego-trip.

13 posted on 05/29/2002 7:01:45 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: mdittmar
My turn....

What did Freeh know and when did he know it?

There! I always wanted to say that.

17 posted on 05/29/2002 7:05:23 PM PDT by meyer
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To: mdittmar
Why is this Wright guy wasting his time and his career. Next to nobody will listen, and those who do, will not act. 8 years of Bill Clinton taught me that about the American people. We havn't changed, and have learned nothing.
19 posted on 05/29/2002 7:06:39 PM PDT by america76
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To: mdittmar
GWB should have cleaned house at the FBI, INS, CIA, etc., when he first took office. Instead, many of the top officials are the same-o's from the Clinton administration.

Maybe it will take these whistleblowers to embarrass enough of the Washington crowd (Congress and Administration) to get the mess cleaned up.

The problems don't seem to be at the field levels, but rather with the top levels (where the PC concerns are greatest). It isn't much different than the initial problem Rumsfeld had with the Defense Department--when Omar was in the crosshairs and the JAG in Tampa wobbled, letting him get away.
27 posted on 05/29/2002 7:20:18 PM PDT by TomGuy
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Does anyone still believe the FBI acted with honor at Waco and Ruby Ridge?
54 posted on 05/29/2002 7:41:31 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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Will be watching, with interest.. how much do you wanna bet that those who stood in the way of actually making the connection were put in place by the Clintoon admin?
57 posted on 05/29/2002 7:42:24 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: mdittmar
Where were these guys WHEN bubba was selling our top secrets to china??
68 posted on 05/29/2002 7:50:40 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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The question that keeps coming back to me is this:

If the FBI, NSA, CIA et al are so incompetant & so in the dark on this threat, how were they able to get the mug shots of the 19 hijackers so fast and piece the plot together?

I was in Colombia on 9/11 and was amazed to see them "solve" the crime so fast on CNN.

78 posted on 05/29/2002 7:55:35 PM PDT by miamimark
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To: mdittmar; okcsubmariner
Chicago. Is this the guy that has been in touch with Schippers?
82 posted on 05/29/2002 7:58:05 PM PDT by aristeides
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I think I may also have heard about OKC FBI revelations on the radio driving home an hour and a half ago. Know anything about them?
91 posted on 05/29/2002 8:05:00 PM PDT by aristeides
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Why FBI Agents Don't Record Interviews
[quote]When asked about the backwardness of the FBI in not having its agents tape record their interviews, Dr. Whitehurst said this is because they don't want to be tied down to what the person being interviewed actually says. They want to be able to embroider the interview or trim it. He said he had recommended equipping all the agents with eyeglasses that have a built-in video camera that will record both what is said and what the agent can see. He said that was rejected. It would deprive the agents of their freedom to misreport what the witnesses had said. [end quote] Source - Accuracy In Media
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The Unprofessional and Unreliable FBI "302" Interview
The purpose of interviews during criminal or civil investigations is to objectively determine everything the person interviewed knows - and doesn't know - about a matter being investigated and properly document it in the best possible way to avoid any later dispute about exactly what was said by the person interviewed and the person(s) conducting the interview. The best way to do that is to conduct the inteview at the earliest possible time and record the interview in its entirety. The most effective way to do it is to use 2 or more recorders, keeping in mind that opposing counsel has the right to listen to the tape, have it examined for possible tape tampering - and to a transcript in the event a duplicate original recording isn't made for that purpose during the interview. An added benefit to duplicate recordings arises when one of the tapes becomes damaged, as sometimes happens. Keep in mind that the investigator's job is to expertly gather evidence - and preserve it.

The FBI 302 Form Interview Procedure
Routinely, two agents conduct the interview, usually one asking the questions while the other takes notes on a pocket pad and sometime later dictates a summary of the interview which dictation is sometime later transcribed on a 302 form which is eventually returned to the agent for review and signature (or any corrections, additions or deletions he might consider appropriate). It's not evidence of what the agents or the person interviewed actually said. At best, it's the agent's recollection of what was said. At worst, it's an invitation to skullduggery and - keeping in mind the information is Intelligence - potentially horrendous peril for all Americans as the obvious Intelligence breakdown prior to the events of 11 September 2001 dramatized.

The 302 procedure guarantees that even the interviewing agents' Supervisors have no way of knowing what was actually said - and not said - by any of those present, much less whether the interview was thorough and complete.</font size>

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/TWA800/Transcript_8_23_3.htm
[excerpt][quote] " . . . . . the FBI did not make any transcripts or recordings of these interviews. Documents are written in the words of the FBI agents who prepared them. Some of the documents contain incomplete information or are vaguely worded. In other words, the documents may not always say what the witness said." [end quote]

http://www.law.emory.edu/4circuit/june96/945902.p.html
[excerpt][quote] "Thus, when a government agent interviews a witness and takes contemporaneous notes of the witness' responses, the notes do not become the witness' statement- - despite the agent's best efforts to be accurate- - if the agent "does not read back, or the witness does not read, what the [agent] has written." Goldberg v. United States, 425 U.S. 94, 110- 11 n.19 (1976). And a government agent's interview notes that "merely select portions, albeit accurately, from a lengthy oral recital" do not satisfy the Jencks Act's requirement of a "substantially verbatim recital." Palermo, 360 U.S. at 352. [end quote]

In short, the FBI 302 form interview summaries are not "witness reports" or "witness statements" or "witness declarations" and don't document anything said during the interviews.

Why does the FBI cling to the 302 interview procedure?
To tilt the playing field in the prosecutions' favor in the event of an arrest by avoiding the documentation of any suggestive "leading" questions by the agents and any exculpatory statements that might be made by those being interviewed or even the agents themselves.

Trial lawyers dealing with cases involving FBI 302 form interview summaries instead of recorded interviews and the transcripts of those recorded interviews routinely raise hell about it not just those reasons but also for the the obvious reason that they can neither hear for themselves everything both the witness and the interviewer actually said nor read everything both the witness and the interviewer actually said.

The press is well aware of the problem, as the following documents, but have done a poor job of bringing it to the attention of the public.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/1998/jan1598.htm
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QUESTION: After the Nichols trial, there was some concern on the part of some of the jurors there about the fact -- and this comes up from time to time -- that the FBI does not transcribe interviews, it does this form 302. And every once in a while somebody says, you know, that it is not the best evidence, 302's are summaries of what something thinks somebody said. And people, every once in a while, look at whether the FBI should change that.

Is that anything that is being looked at? During the time you have been Attorney General, has anyone ever suggested that the FBI ought to change that practice?

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: I have heard it on occasions and have discussed it with Director Freeh. I cannot discuss it in the context of this particular case.

QUESTION: But as a general matter, is that something that is pretty much a dead letter now?

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: As always, we continue to review each issues, the circumstances of the issue in the context it arises, to see what is appropriate. But, again, with respect to this matter, in this case, I cannot discuss it.

QUESTION: Yes, but as a general matter, does it strike you as a good idea, the way the FBI does the 302's? Do you see any need to change that?

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: I think, each case, you have got to look at it on a case-by-case basis, and I think that is what the Bureau does.

QUESTION: Are you saying that they sometimes use a tape recorder?

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: Again, I think you have to look at the specific examples of each case and make the best judgment of what is right in that case.

QUESTION: (Off microphone) -- some have suggested the FBI should no longer use this form 302, and should go to a transcription of interviews. Would that be a good idea, in your view?

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: Again, you are going to have to look at the whole matter: each case, when you interview, who you interview, what the circumstances are.

QUESTION: But the FBI has a policy that applies to all cases all the time, that they do not tape record their interviews.

ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO: I will be happy to check with Director Freeh and clarify anything that I have said. But, again, I cannot comment on this particular case. And I think you have got to look at the larger picture. [end quote]
Janet Reno obviously chose to engage in wiggleworming when publicly confronted with the indefensible FBI 302 form interview procedure.

Los Angeles Times 7-31-2001 Hearings Open on Mueller
Senate: Bush's pick to head the FBI tells panel his "highest priority" is to restore public's trust in the battle-weary bureau. [excerpt] " . . . . . he said he would consider expanded tape-recording of FBI interviews to give its investigations greater credibility--another idea the bureau has resisted through the years." [end excerpt]

FBI Crime Lab Misconduct

137 posted on 05/31/2002 12:24:03 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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