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Abortion Protesters Use Cameras, Raise New Legal Issues, Lawsuits
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 | YOCHI J. DREAZEN

Posted on 05/28/2002 7:10:25 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DENVER -- As soon as he saw the blue minivan turning into the parking lot of Planned Parenthood's small abortion clinic here, Kenneth Scott grabbed his digital camera, clambered up his rickety metal ladder and started snapping pictures.

"You'll have nightmares about this day the rest of your life," he bellowed, photographing the blond woman gingerly leaving the minivan. Then he turned his camera to her escort. "Your sin won't be hidden or forgotten," he screamed.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion
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To: =Intervention=
First, be truthful. Don't go around spreading falsehoods about your brothers and sisters.

Spread gospel.

61 posted on 05/28/2002 11:18:09 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Diamond
Perhaps he thinks a human "becomes human" when it is self-sufficient.

...around age 2 maybe when the little buggers can run around, feed themselves, etc.

A newborn infant will die without intervention (feeding and "upkeep").

62 posted on 05/28/2002 11:18:37 AM PDT by weegee
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To: jlogajan
"That is a reasonable thing to disagree about."

Only if your idol is Dr. Joseph Mengele.


63 posted on 05/28/2002 11:19:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: jlogajan

64 posted on 05/28/2002 11:19:50 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Bump in the night
Why not mercy?
65 posted on 05/28/2002 11:21:32 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: nanny
You cannot have a 'difference of opinion' where killing is concerned. We have shaded so many wrongs in this society, soon nothing will be wrong.

I don't think it's a difference of opinion where KILLING is concerned. It's more like a difference of opinion about WHEN LIFE BEGINS. Apparently, some people believe that a single cell is life and it would be wrong to kill it. Others believe that a single cell is not the equivilent of a human being. Those that are anti-abortion view what is being aborted as a life. Those that are pro-choice do not view it as a life.

66 posted on 05/28/2002 11:21:40 AM PDT by Bump in the night
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To: TroutStalker
I just checked out their website and (again) came to the conclusion that as long as these nutcases are what the public perceives as the pro-life movement then no progress will ever be made. Takes about 30 seconds on the webpage to run into some fundemantalist Christian ranting, and about 45 seconds to find the lovely statement "Arrest Homosexuals".

IMHO these people do more damage to the pro-life movement than anyone else by driving anyone remotely moderate away.
67 posted on 05/28/2002 11:21:50 AM PDT by Economist_MA
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To: VRWC_minion
What is our Christian duty ?

If we knew that you were about to be carried into a building to be attacked by a knife-wielding assailant, what would you have us do?

Cordially,

68 posted on 05/28/2002 11:23:49 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: jlogajan
That's wrong and you know it. The women having their picture taken are not haters in any imaginable sense of the word. The simply do not agree with you about the definition of when a human becomes a human. That is a reasonable thing to disagree about.

It's not about hate. It's about right and wrong and what America stands for.

Women having their pictures taken generally know when life begins. That's why the most potent weapon in the abortion debate is a sonogram. In a pro-life clinic, the imaging screen is turned toward the mother and she is shown the features of the baby her body is nurturing. In the abortion clinic the imaging screen is turned away from the mother and she is told there really is no baby. But if you let her look at it herself, usually she will decide not to abort. Of course, such informed consent is dangerous to the abortion mill cash-cow.

But, regardless of all this, there is no hate for the protestor toward the mother. Toward the doctor, perhaps, but not the mother. And the mother doesn't hate the protestor, although she wishes he weren't there to cause the pain. The press does, perhaps, but not the mother. Shalom.

69 posted on 05/28/2002 11:24:54 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Hello, old friend. ;)
70 posted on 05/28/2002 11:27:03 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: jlogajan
Not only is it a reasonable belief that a small clump of cells is NOT a human in any meaningful sense -- any other claim is a matter of religious faith ONLY. So yes, there is a very REASONABLE basis to disagree on the morality or immorality of abortion.

Gotta agree.

71 posted on 05/28/2002 11:27:19 AM PDT by Bump in the night
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To: Diamond
, what would you have us do?

Convert me before I die.

72 posted on 05/28/2002 11:27:46 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Bump in the night
Why not mercy?
73 posted on 05/28/2002 11:28:05 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: jlogajan
a small clump of cells is NOT a human in any meaningful sense

Then what is it? A frog? A cow? A flower?

74 posted on 05/28/2002 11:28:23 AM PDT by geaux
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To: Diamond
If we knew that you were about to be carried into a building to be attacked by a knife-wielding assailant, what would you have us do?

What makes you think that "taking a picture" is a reasonable answer to your question? These people are all about senseless symbolism and making themselves feel better. Or they are plain stupid.... or both.
75 posted on 05/28/2002 11:28:54 AM PDT by Economist_MA
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To: geaux
And they put her into a minivan instead of calling an ambulance because.....?

Obvious answer? Because they didn't want photos of an ambulance in front of an abortion clinic.

Sarcastic answer. The neighbors complained about the noise from all of the ambulance calls to the abortion clinic. < /sarcasm >

There was a minor who died in Houston a few years back from internal bleeding. She had a legal abortion and kept her parents in the dark. We hear about how many women would die from "illegal" abortions if the law changes but I don't ever see published stats on how many woman die from legal abortions.

Minors can't even get ears pierced (let alone surgical procedures) without a parental permission. The culture of death makes their own rules.

76 posted on 05/28/2002 11:29:11 AM PDT by weegee
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To: VRWC_minion
But you are right, hate is too strong. They dislike the life they are carrying so strongly they wish to terminate its existance and are self-righteous when anyone might possibly disagree with them.

Sometimes this does describe the mother, but often it does not. 80% of the mothers are caught in a trap. Interestingly for the pro-choice crowd, she usually feels she has no choice. She has been told by men that there is nothing wrong with her allowing herself to be used as a sexual toy by a man. When she gets pregnant, and the man realizes that this could lead to an emotional, or at least a financial committment, he convinces her that she is only exercising her rights when she kills the child that might cause him a problem. He manipulates her and emotionally abuses her.

If she can get to someone who cares, someone at an abortion alternative center, for example, they can help her to see how she has been used, then acheive the strength to make her own decision. If she goes to someone who makes a living by selling death to her unborn child, she has no help.

Don't blame the mothers. Sometimes they deserve it, but often they do not.

Yes, I have my flame-retardant underwear on to protect me from all the strong women on FR who have no regrets about their abortions and were never, ever, under any circumstances, coerced.

Shalom.

77 posted on 05/28/2002 11:29:41 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Bump in the night
Is the clump of cells human? Yes, otherwise the woman wouldn't be pregnant. Have mercy on the innocent and defenseless.
78 posted on 05/28/2002 11:29:53 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: weegee
My point is that ontologically it doesn't make sense, literally, to speak of when a human becomes a human. It wouldn't matter what object we were talking about. It would be just as self-contradictory to speak of an orange becoming an orange, because an orange cannot be an orange and not be an orange at the same time.

Cordially,

79 posted on 05/28/2002 11:33:09 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: mondonico
It may be legal, but seeing the pictures of these poor women made me sad and a little ashamed of intruding on them.

Maybe you could pray for them. They certainly need it.

If they started posting the addresses, you could send a card expressing your concern and telling them of your prayers.

Shalom.

80 posted on 05/28/2002 11:33:11 AM PDT by ArGee
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