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Women pass over dumb men
The Sydney Morning Herald. ^

Posted on 05/27/2002 10:28:34 PM PDT by VinnyTex

Women pass over dumb men

May 28 2002

Women may be responsible for the intelligence of the human race because they consistently pick brain over brawn when choosing a mate.

A study by German geneticists supports the controversial theory that women approach brains as a sexual ornament - much like a lion's mane or a peacock's tail - according to a report published in New Scientist magazine.

The theory that women are responsible for intelligence is not new. Darwin came up with the idea that sexual selection influences evolution, and US researchers suggested 30 years ago that intelligence genes were concentrated on the X chromosome.

The X chromosome is what distinguishes men from women. It is present in both sexes but women have two X chromosomes while men have one X and one Y.

The fact that men have only one copy of every gene on the X chromosome influences whether particular genetic traits - such as intelligence - are expressed.
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This in turn affects whether certain traits drift out of the gene pool or are passed on through sexual selection.

The Germans looked at genes that caused mental disability when mutated, arguing that in their normal state, these genes would contribute to intelligence.

Using a catalogue of genes and genetic disorders, the team found X contained 21 per cent of the mental retardation genes.

An Australian sex chromosome expert, Jennifer Marshall Graves, of the Australian National University in Canberra, said the study was significant.

"They have demonstrated that the preponderance of mental retardation genes on the X chromosome is real," she told New Scientist.


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To: PallMal
the guy who is tops in physics, chemistry or mathematics may not get as much as a date for months

That was me thirty years ago!

301 posted on 05/29/2002 3:31:27 PM PDT by reg45
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To: DBtoo
My husband doesn't like football either. He does ; however , love baseball and so do I. We even grew up rooting for the same team ! This does help things considerably , since I too find football boring .

The more things a couple have in common, the better ! Men, who have few to no interests and can't manage to talk about anything other than their jobs , the weather, or what they had for lunch are just " empty suits ", whom most women don't want to date ; let alone marry. Men don't have to be drop dead handsome nor billionaires , in order to date or marry wonderful women.

Your marriage sounds like a match made in heaven, as they say. I'm delighted that you and your dear husband are so well suited to each other and so happy ! : - )

302 posted on 05/29/2002 3:32:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: joathome
Very well put. It is the women who have the babies, and the natural order of things requires a man to protect and provide for his woman and children. It's been done that way from the beginning of time, and works much better than the way things are now. It's a partnership. The women loves the man and their children, and takes care of them in return.
303 posted on 05/29/2002 3:33:25 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: hobbes1
re: post 275

How funny! I don't think I've ever met a guy who likes to talk about how another guy is getting alot, although not being a guy I wouldn't hear that stuff much anyway. But I have to agree that does sound pretty pitiful!!

304 posted on 05/29/2002 3:40:00 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
Thanks for clearing that misconception up. I tried to, but don't think he got the message . LOL

I've known my husband for 36 + years, but have been happily married for 35 years. I didn't " settle " and yes, we are VERY compatible and then some. After all of this time, I still can't imagine anyone being " better " ( for me ) , than my darling, wonderful, briliant ( intellect is oh SO sexy ) , funny husband .

305 posted on 05/29/2002 3:41:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: sandyeggo
People sure are worrying about other peoples incorrect use of commas! Beware of the comma police!

Oh well, I'll just say up front sometimes (most of the time) I am too lazy to check my spelling, and actually I'm not too concerned about my commmas or anyone else's either for that matter!! I'm more interested in what people have to say.

306 posted on 05/29/2002 3:46:53 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: jlogajan
Oh broher ! You and you alone ( especially this post, dear ) have been guilty to personal insult and ad hominem attacks. What I posted, that you deigned to consider an ad hominem, was NOT a personal attack . It was a vague , considered opinion of certain tyes of people.

" Bitter " ? ME ? I just don't suffer fools lightly, dear. If anyone comes off as " BITTER " and unhappy, on this thread, it is you ! You're projecting again ; get help. : - )

307 posted on 05/29/2002 3:47:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons;DBtoo
The two of you seem to have high self-confidence in your analysis.

At age 35 a woman and I settled for each other so it is no longer a personal issue for me. But it is a social problem.

Many women reject men who they claim would make a wonderful man for their sister/best friend. Their sister then rejects the man; but agrees he would make a wonderful guy for somebody else and tries to hook him up with a cousin. These women intentionally seek out, and have babies, with bums who use excessive drugs/alcohol, don't work, are violent, etc. These women who make the wrong choices include both women who are good, hardworking, honest types, and those who are lazy parasites. The result is fatherless children in poverty who become dependent on the taxpayers...and angry women

I didn't dwell on the repeated rejections until age 28 when I fell madly in love and was rejected. Then, from age 28 to 35 I analysed it. I listed over 100 available guys and 200 available women I knew. Most knew each other casually at church or meetings. 20% of the guys and 50% of the women would be labeled lazy slobs, excessive drug/alcohol uses, etc. But 80% of the guys were basically good. Some were good dancers, good joke tellers, effective precinct captains, or popular in their church group or political meetings and extroverts. Others were serious and shy. I cross-referenced which guys were rejected by which women and interviewed the women. Overwhelmingly, women said the guy they rejected was a great guy and they would hook him up with a sister, cousin, friend, etc. But he was not their type. Then these women would go out, and have babies, with losers not on my list.

If somebody can solve this social problem, many taxpayers would be very appreciative.

308 posted on 05/29/2002 3:52:32 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: nopardons
nonpardons, your post #294 is so right! I have observed these same things.

It is amazing to me how many males survive their teen years!!!!!

309 posted on 05/29/2002 3:54:51 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: RickyJ
I have NEVER claimed that President Bush is " perfect " ! Neither have I agreed with everything that he has done or said. NO ONE IS PERFECT . That you assume that I think that the president is " perfect ", is solely in your mind, dear. : - )

That you've now discovered a post of mine, which you agree with 100 %, shows that there might still be some hope for you. LOL

310 posted on 05/29/2002 3:57:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Thankyou!! As I said, we are also a bit nuts!

These days he is putting together a software program that deals in phonetics, so we have been discussing different sounds and the sounds in different languages and so forth. He is now trying to find out what languages besides Spanish rolls their Rs. This is neat for me as I've always been interested in languages and sounds. There are Yupik Eskimos where we live; we are going to find one who speaks perfect Yupik and record them speaking because they do indeed have some strange sounds. It is one of the strangest sounding languages I've ever heard! It's very gutteral with lots of hard K sounds and almost no vowels.

I think we are very compatible, because no one else we know really cares anything about such things. If you try to talk to people about stuff like that they just look at you like you're wierd!

311 posted on 05/29/2002 4:10:14 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: nopardons
Perhaps my husband and I are both geeks!
312 posted on 05/29/2002 4:11:40 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: VinnyTex
What matters most to women, more than money, or intelligence, or whether or not the man is homosexual, or an ex-con, or an addict, etc. is how tall he is.

99% of all american women are shorter than their husbands.

More women marry homosexuals than they do short men.

There is no other factor that is higher than 99%.

313 posted on 05/29/2002 4:16:09 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: spintreebob
This is indeed a serious social problem. It concerns me a lot how very young women will get pregnant by some charming loser, and then they tend to end up living in poverty.

Since we live in a tiny town now, everyone knows everyone and so everyone is aware of the lives of the better off people as well as the ones who don't do so well (heavy into drugs and alcohol, don't think they should have to pay their bills, etc.) The less fortunate group don't seem to think about consequences. I feel sorry for all the babies with poor single mothers and no fathers. I've noticed too these types are not too bright, which I suppose to no surprise to anyone. There really does seem to be a correlation between IQ and how well people function in life, at least in our country.

By the way, when I was in my early 20s, I had the hardest time meeting guys. I always felt like I wasn't good enough and that no guy would like me. I was horribly shy. It was also so hard to meet people! I met no guys at work, and I just didn't know many people in Houston at the time. It was the worst period of my life because I felt so all alone. And I am not (was not) an ugly person! But for some reason I felt I could never measure up.

314 posted on 05/29/2002 4:33:09 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: Free Vulcan
My experience in life directly contradicts the notion that women prefer smarts over all else. Money, looks, and social status in reality have the higher priority with most women.

I think that is true in many a womans earlier years but as they mature I think even intelligence, let alone money, looks and social status, fades in their prioroites in deference kindness and simple goodness. Not all women, mind you, but many.

315 posted on 05/29/2002 4:37:44 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: waterstraat
Couldn't that be because men tend to be a few inches taller than women? I know a couple who fit the 1% range. My bestfriend here is 5'9" and her husband is 5'7".
316 posted on 05/29/2002 4:38:35 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
It was the worst period of my life because I felt so all alone.

,,, when my first marriage fell thru in Dec 1994, I was totally alone. I had friends, but generally, they weren't as available as I thought they might have been at the time. Subsequently, I've done a stock take over the years and reassessed some friendships.

One of my friends said to me "be happy being by yourself for a while; few people ever get the chance." I worked my normal day, worked my part time job and was accountable only to myself for a long time. I worked out that time alone was actually a gift, a time for reflection and a good chance to map out the future. I married again in February this year and cherish my relationship with my wife - she's one in a million. Being alone again isn't something I'd particularly want but I'd recognise it as an opportunity if things worked out that way.

317 posted on 05/29/2002 4:54:10 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: PetiteMericco
EXACTLY!

& Your excellent judgement is why our Species has a chance to Survive!

We survive & Prosper DESPITE the "Odds Stacked Against Us," because we continue to produce Individuals who "Steer Us Around" the terrible barriers to our continued survival!

It's a "Genetic Flaw" we possess; we have a genetic "Will to Survive!"

So Be It!

"Species Annihilation" is NOT on our "Genetic Agenda!"

EVERY BIT of Historical/Social/Political/Religious History indicates that we should have been "Extinct" several Millenia ago---YET WE SURVIVE!

Somehow, our "Programming" has "allowed For" Our stupidity, Mistakes, & External Challenges, & ensured THAT WE SURVIVE!

WHATEVER ELSE may be our "Destiny," WE are the "ONES" our Planetary Biosphere is "sending to the Stars!" "It's in your Genes!"

So SIT BACK, & ENJOY the "RIDE!!"

Doc

318 posted on 05/29/2002 5:04:54 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: nopardons
Anyone who thinks that they are going to marry Mr. / Miss perfect, is delusional. There is NO " perfect " person.

That's my point.

There are ; however , people who ARE " perfect " for one another.

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Love doesn't blind people to the faults each have. It allows one to live with another's faults, which others might not care to live with.

If you're willing to overlook someone's faults, that means you know they have them, which means you know they aren't perfect, either for you or in an absolute sense. If you thought they were perfect, you'd think none of their traits were faults, even the ones other people did think were faults.

They honestly think that their choice is just great.

Of course they do. That's what love is for. Usually they're even right, and their choice is great. But a better alternative is always concievable, even if only a version of the real person without one or two annoying habits.

319 posted on 05/29/2002 5:12:07 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: DBtoo
Naaaaaaaaaw, you aren't " geeks " at all. I think that what your husband is doing, is absolutely fascinating and wonderful ! Words are magic; in any language.

The French roll some rs.

Recording that Eskimo language , is a terrific idea ! Did you know that there are over 600 different languages now, but that 90 % of all people on this planet speak only 4 % of them ? Most languages are disappearing at a steady rate. There is a language spoken by only 60 people, who are deer herders in Lapland or just by Siberia; I forget just where , at the moment.

My son-in-law is South African and speaks Afrikaans. That's a VERY ineresting language and a difficult one to learn , for me. He also knows some African tribal languages. The click one , has always intrigued me.

Being of Hungarian descent, I love to hear someone speak it. Since it isn't all that common a spoken language , most people don't know what it is when they hear it.

Just because a majority of people are dumb, uninteresting, and don't have many hobbies or interests, does NOT make people, with a variety of different and perhaps a wee bit strange to those who don't share them, " geeks " at all. It makes those people VERY much MORE interesting than the rest. As for me, I think that you and your husband sound marvelously interesting, intellient, and just the sort of people I would dearly like to be friends with. : - )

320 posted on 05/29/2002 5:26:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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