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Teen gets one year of probation for impregnating 10-year-old
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 5/24/02 | JAMAAL ABDUL-ALIM

Posted on 05/27/2002 11:50:41 AM PDT by madprof98

A 16-year-old boy who is believed to have impregnated his 10-year-old onetime "girlfriend" was spared prison Thursday and placed on probation for one year.

Milwaukee County Children's Court Judge Kevin Martens also ordered the teenager to perform 50 hours of community service and to undergo treatment as a sex offender. The boy pleaded guilty this month to second-degree sexual assault of a child.

Had the boy misbehaved at the shelter where he was ordered to live during the past few months while the case was pending, Martens said, he probably would have been incarcerated.

The judge also expressed concern about a psychological report that indicated the boy had a cavalier attitude toward the wrongfulness of his deed, which Martens described as "reckless and irresponsible."

Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Brown had urged Martens to lock up the boy because the boy did not seem to appreciate the seriousness of his crime.

The psychological report said the boy felt "privileged to have sex with lots of people if he wants to," Brown said.

Brown said the boy also told the girl, whom Brown described as "inexperienced," that "if you like someone and you feel good around them, then you have sex because that's what people do."

The prosecutor also noted that the boy had been found delinquent for underage possession of a dangerous weapon after he accidentally fired a bullet into a neighbor's house around the same time he was involved with the girl.

The boy's defense attorney, Ira Bordow, said it was wrong to characterize the case involving the girl as an "assault" because there was no force involved in the boy's sexual relationship with the girl, whom he considered to be his "girlfriend."

Bordow also contended that the boy was not aware of the girl's true age and that she claimed to be 13. Both the prosecutor and the girl's mother disputed that assertion and said the boy had been made aware that the girl was younger than she claimed.

Brown said that the girl "looked older" but acted very young and that the 16-year-old boy should have known better.

The girl had an abortion shortly after her pregnancy came to light.

In court Thursday, the boy apologized to the victim's mother, who had urged the judge not to be "too severe" in punishing the boy but also to make the teenager understand the consequences of his actions.

Martens imposed and stayed a sentence of one year in a juvenile prison, which means the boy could be incarcerated for that amount of time if he violates the rules of probation.

Martens also ordered the boy to have no contact with the girl or her family and to register as a sex offender.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on May 24, 2002.


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To: Chemnitz
The established denominations (Protestant and Roman Catholic) have led the way in undermininng our society.

I don't know that they've LED the way, but they've certainly followed it. They're seemingly more bent on political correctness than on preserving any notion of piety.

61 posted on 05/27/2002 3:29:10 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: EggsAckley
LOL!
62 posted on 05/27/2002 3:31:20 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: IronJack
Girls are maturing at younger and younger ages, nowadays. It's not unknown for girls to start menstruating at the age of 9. I don't know the physiological reason for this, but it sure puts a lot of really young girls at risk of pregnancy.
63 posted on 05/27/2002 3:38:38 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: gcruse
As a prolifer I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
64 posted on 05/27/2002 3:41:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: gcruse
Thank you. Who says civility is dead?
65 posted on 05/27/2002 3:50:49 PM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: S.O.S121.500
no, you don't get it. Caesarean or not, the pregnancy could cause severe illness or injury, and even kill her. Its not all about delivering (which WOULD probably kill her)
66 posted on 05/27/2002 3:57:14 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: Irene Adler,all
How ironic. In an age in which we're encouraged to live a perpetual childhood, we actually mature earlier than ever before.
67 posted on 05/27/2002 3:57:30 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
If you look at campus ministry efforts, you will see that they led the way. Definitely. The radicals went into campus ministry or were exiled there because they could not do parish work.

By the way, I stopped at the campus ministry office at Notre Dame one day, looking for someone I was supposed to greet for a mutual friend. There was no answer, no answer, then an attractive young woman came out, rather flustered. Then the priest came out, even more flustered, and very curious about what got me there so late in the day. I explained and it was very awkward.

68 posted on 05/27/2002 4:24:50 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: madprof98
Brown said the boy also told the girl, whom Brown described as "inexperienced," that "if you like someone and you feel good around them, then you have sex because that's what people do."

It would be illuminating to find out about the parents of this perv. Too bad there were no details. I wonder why not.

69 posted on 05/27/2002 4:57:06 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: madprof98
Sounds like another tale from the World Without Fathers.

... a profound observation! If the boy had a father who cared for him, he wouldn't be out impregnating 10-yr-olds ...
and if the girl had a father who cared about her, the boy would be dead.

70 posted on 05/27/2002 5:03:29 PM PDT by bimbo
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To: madprof98
If that boy had been living in my county (next door to Milwaukee) he would have been sentenced to a year in jail -- I know of two cases here that received that sentence.

In both cases the girls went ahead and carried the babies to term, so the boys in question have to pay child support for the rest of their lives.

This kid got off easy.

71 posted on 05/27/2002 5:06:06 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
This kid got off easy.

Everybody got off easy . . .

Milwaukee County Children's Court Judge Kevin Martens got off easy for not having been responsible for sending the 16-year-old boy to the prison system. Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Brown got off easy for not having dream at night about sending the 16-year-old boy to prison. The parents of the 16-year-old boy got off easy by not having to accept being grandparents. The 16-year-old boy got off easy by not having to live with the consequences of his own actions. The victim's mother got off easy by not having the additional burden of another child to care for.

The easy way out, pure and simple.

How convenient life has become.

72 posted on 05/27/2002 5:40:31 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: goody2shooz
"Being of Irish descent on my mother's side I'll tell you why that is most likely so.
My mother married at 22 and was severely chastized by all her Irish relatives for marrying so young. They felt she shouldn't marry until she was at least 25-years old.
The idea that it is easier to give birth at 10-years of age is horse pucky."

Also being of (complete)Irish descent on my mother's side (and still being single at 41) I can relate to your comment.

I did not say it would be easier for a 10 year to give birth than say, a 20 year old.

But I do believe it is possible, although not advisable, for a variety of reasons, for a 10 year to give birth to a healthy child without killing herself. I have met a girl who gave birth at 13, without any ill(physical) effects to her or her child. And, yes, there is a big difference between 10 and 13.

But I tend to agree with the poster above who suggests that if a girl isn't physically able to give birth a child, she's not physically going to be able to carry or conceive one. Note how ovulation and menstruation stop when women are seriously ill or starving.

And I certainly believe it's easier to carry children and give birth with fewer ill effects between the ages of 15 and 25 than 25 and 35. Again, we're talking physically.

73 posted on 05/27/2002 5:59:27 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: Jeff Chandler
My point is that the messages that adults send to children, the morals we teach them, the license we give them result in terrible consequenses.

E.g., the libertarian message, "Ain't nobody's business if you do." The boy took that as his credo and lived it.

Libertarians will angrily deny that they are pleased that a 16 year-old boy would buy into the libertarian message and impregnate a 10 year-old girl in a "consensual" encounter. But how could they expect anything different? Any society must and will reap a bumper crop of sexual perversions that it refuses to condemn--that it tolerates and enables.

Even on this thread we apparently see the libertarian "consent uber alles" mindset taking tentative steps toward tolerating and enabling pedophilia as various posters assure us that even girls as young as eight are sexually mature and considered fair game in some cultures, suggesting that perhaps we are unnecessarily narrow-minded.

I wouldn't be surprised if some posters are doing a frantic internet search to discover the earliest documented instance of puberty so they can proudly inform us that six or seven years of age isn't "too young" in some places.

74 posted on 05/27/2002 6:00:09 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: madprof98
"Brown said the boy also told the girl, whom Brown described as "inexperienced," that "if you like someone and you feel good around them, then you have sex because that's what people do.""

That is exactly what teens and older do today.

75 posted on 05/27/2002 6:06:43 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: SarahW
"no, you don't get it. Caesarean or not, the pregnancy could cause severe illness or injury, and even kill her. Its not all about delivering (which WOULD probably kill her)"

No, you do not 'get it'. That baby was G_d's.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

Thy will be done.

76 posted on 05/27/2002 6:29:12 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Cultural Jihad
Rubbish. The only victims are the ones that are directly impacted in an empirically proveable way by a crime. Communities are not victimized. They are changed, but not victimized. The reason why we have the draconian criminal codes we do is because it is structured to treat every john and jane doe walking down the street as a victim if someone is hurt by a crime. We're not all in this together. If I am murdered, I am the victim. My friends, family and neighbors should in no way be victims in the legal sense.
77 posted on 05/27/2002 6:52:47 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: Cultural Jihad
Abstinence is presented as the panacea for STD prevention in public schools. I know from personal experience because I just got out of them! It is presented in a way that says that if you never do drugs or screw someone, you're not getting AIDS. The abstinence pushers in public schools don't have the intellectual honesty to tell the students that they can easily get AIDS from a blood transfusion, organ transplant or even just french kissing their significant other if they have broken sores in their mouth. The only reason why my sophomore sex ed teacher admitted all of that was very possible was because I forced the issue in class.
78 posted on 05/27/2002 6:56:35 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: S.O.S121.500
If I were on a jury hearing you make that legal argument about why you forced your 10 year old daughter to go to term and she died, I'd still vote in favor of giving you the death penalty if it was an option.
79 posted on 05/27/2002 7:06:19 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
The abstinence pushers in public schools don't have the intellectual honesty to tell the students that they can easily get AIDS from a blood transfusion, organ transplant or even just french kissing their significant other if they have broken sores in their mouth.

It's too bad you don't have the intellectual honesty to admit that the odds of contracting AIDS these ways are so miniscule as to be nonexistent.

Sexual abstinance is 99.9999 percent effective at preventing AIDS. It's a shame you strain so hard at that .0001 percent and end up swallowing all your common sense.

But by your own admission you are a product of the public schools. That explains a lot.

80 posted on 05/27/2002 7:13:52 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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