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Massacre in America: Vox Day calls for guns against terror
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Monday, May 27, 2002 | Vox Day

Posted on 05/27/2002 12:07:32 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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Monday, May 27, 2002

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1 posted on 05/27/2002 12:07:32 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for posting this, John.

Terrorists understand only force of arms.
Government understands only force of will.

If we give up and say, "Our hands are tied," we will surely see that prophecy come to pass.

Stay armed. Stay watchful.

2 posted on 05/27/2002 12:17:25 AM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: *bang_list

3 posted on 05/27/2002 12:19:49 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: petuniasevan
You're most welcome.
4 posted on 05/27/2002 12:19:59 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
" Decent people do not find deadly power intoxicating, but sobering instead."

Excellent statement!

5 posted on 05/27/2002 4:32:54 AM PDT by Grut
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To: JohnHuang2
John,
Good article, Thanks for posting this.

Del
ps, how does one go about getting on your pinglist?

6 posted on 05/27/2002 6:29:24 AM PDT by Delmarksman
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To: Grut
" Decent people do not find deadly power intoxicating, but sobering instead."

Excellent statement!

I agree.

7 posted on 05/27/2002 6:35:22 AM PDT by serinde
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To: JohnHuang2
BTTT!
8 posted on 05/27/2002 6:37:27 AM PDT by hoosierham
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To: hoosierham
bump
9 posted on 05/27/2002 6:47:40 AM PDT by madfly
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump.
10 posted on 05/27/2002 6:53:33 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump
11 posted on 05/27/2002 7:52:46 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: JohnHuang2
"* Obtain a firearm, learn how to use it and begin to carry it at all times.

I'm going to burst the bubble for a lot of people. Learning to shoot well is very difficult. It helps to live in an area where a person can own a firearm and have the type of gunrange or shooting matches so that they can learn the necessary skills. Very few shooting ranges allow drawing from a holster but there might be a monthly match that they can join.

Shooting a lot takes a lot of ammo and for that learning to reload ammunition is a must. Money becomes a factor when the reloading machine and components may take the price of a gun or more. Finding the time to shoot and then to reload the ammo it takes will change people's lifestyles. This isn't just a hobby, it becomes a way of life. If a person wants to devote the time and energy in being more than acceptable using a gun, I suggest getting involved in IDPA and High Power Rifle competitions. Getting involved with both competitions will give all the skills necessary.

12 posted on 05/27/2002 7:53:56 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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All excellent points...but I've had occassion to brandish firearms to stop crimes...and nobody ever asked about my marksmanship.
13 posted on 05/27/2002 9:56:06 AM PDT by gundog
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Don't get me wrong. I'm very happy that everything worked out all right. Unfortunately there are too many people who think all they have to do is brandish a weapon and everything will be all right.

This isn't Star Wars and there isn't such a thing as a Jedi Knight where the hero can learn everything by closing his eyes. Real skill takes more than buying something and the t-shirt. If anyone wants real skills they have to work at it. The people who have those skills are the ones who are out there practicing when they don't want to, in the bad weather and spending the time and money.

14 posted on 05/27/2002 10:28:32 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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"Every commercial airline pilot must ignore the ridiculous announcement by the Transportation Security administration which continues the ban on firearms in the cockpit. If every single pilot in America shows up for work with a nine-millimeter on his belt, are the security bozos really going to shut down the country again?" (WorldNetDaily)

No - airline pilots should do what Magaw fears most.

Like Italian customs police who can't strike - but who, when angry with the government get what they want by "work-to-the-rule" actions - U.S. airline pilots should simply do a "work-to-the-rule" strike until allowed to fly armed.

That means to refuse as "unsafe" any plane they are given that flunks the tiniest FAA rule - and file a safety report with the FAA about it.

Pilots should also insist that the "work-to-the-rule" action would continue until Bush fires Magaw.

GUN REVIEWS free from ad-money bias - emphasizing pilot-friendly guns for CCW!

15 posted on 05/27/2002 10:39:24 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: Shooter 2.5
Speaking as an NRA Instructor let me say that I can impart the necessary skills in a two day session both classroom and range. Including the draw (conducted with unloaded guns in a classroom); tactical reloads; use of cover and the difference between cover and concealment. All of this I can do and so can most any competent instructor, although it helps if one has military or law enforcement experience (as I have)--but it takes practice to keep the skills and make them 2nd nature. THIS is where IDPA comes in.

When I teach a class for the Florida Concealed Weapons Permit, I guarantee that if you listen to me and apply what I teach you will be able to put all rounds into the center area (6 inch diameter) of an average silhouette target at 7 yards or your money back. I haven't had to return one single cent in the 15 years I have been an instructor.

I also find that when I teach a novice married couple where both have equal (none) familiarity with firearms, the wife turns into the more competent shooter by far almost 85% of the time.

This is usually because the guys are only half listening and thus only half applying the lessons because usually most guys think that by simple virtue of the fact that they are male makes them an expert in three areas: WOMEN, CARS AND GUNS. Of course they are usually wrong on all three counts! Plus, the gals have less to unlearn having not been raised on the likes of Dirty Harry or Will Smith gangsta style, or even John Wayne! Finally, it has been shown that women have better hand/eye coordination which is the reason they usually make excellent pilots, especially helicopter pilots due to the multiplicity of tasks they must perform simultaneously.

16 posted on 05/27/2002 11:45:43 AM PDT by ExSoldier
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To: ExSoldier
Right.

Also we have a problem when someone will excuse themselves from practice or matches based on their misconception that "It's not real". They would rather stay home and use an excuse that somehow they will inherit what it takes to have the skills. Personally, I call what I do, "trigger time". Sometimes I don't practice when I'm shooting and I'm there to have a little fun. Never the less, I'm doing what I can to make a good shot on target. I'll be the first to admit that getting up at Oh Dark Thirty, driving two hours, and shooting in the rain may not be the E Ticket that I expected, but I always notice that the Masters are there all the time.

17 posted on 05/27/2002 12:06:58 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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Agree with you 100% on the concept and reasons surrounding "trigger time." One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was joining IPSC and the USPSA as a life member. Because IPSC is a game...a sport that is even trying to gain acceptance into the Olympics. Good for them, but try to play that game on the street and not only will you get yourself killed, but a bunch of other folks too. So much for $5000 race guns. I know IPSC folks who can't even shoot with iron sights! Now that is sad.

IDPA club to which I belong is one of the few "teaching clubs" in the group and we were the first to hold an officially sanctioned shoot east of the Mississippi River. In fact I was the first shooter run at that shoot and in honor of that, I ran the course with combat JHP's in my gun...what I actually carried on the street.

IMHO, IDPA is the best possible and safest preparation for realistic street situational training.

18 posted on 05/27/2002 4:58:50 PM PDT by ExSoldier
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I don't have a problem with someone shooting only IPSC. That may be the only chance the person has to draw and fire since doing presentations isn't allowed at most ranges. It depends on what a person wants to get out of the course. I remember when they timed Rob Latham with a $5000 race gun and with a stock 1911. His times weren't that far apart with each gun.

The club I shoot at is just starting and it's difficult to get the competitors to shoot from a concealed. I do and I think I'm the only one and I really don't care what the scenario reads. I shoot my street leather except for using lead for the plates. I still use the Commander that has the faulty extractor. So I'm not going to place first, second or third. Tough. What I should do is start using my street gun with the ports and just get disqualified for using it. Our score sheets allow me to have a copy and I can bring the copies home and compare what I did.

19 posted on 05/27/2002 5:15:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Grut;John Huang2
" Decent people do not find deadly power intoxicating, but sobering instead."

Nomination for quote of the month in my book.

20 posted on 05/27/2002 5:33:15 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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