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Army Wants Noncitizens for Military
AP via Newsday ^ | May 20, 2002, 3:30 PM EDT | SUZANNE GAMBOA

Posted on 05/20/2002 1:42:40 PM PDT by Jean S

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Even if you're not a U.S. citizen, Uncle Sam wants you.

About 47,500 military personnel are noncitizens, roughly 4 percent of the total, and the Pentagon is recruiting more.

"We recruit everywhere. We like to look like America and recruit anyone who is qualified," said Jim Cassella, a Pentagon spokesman.


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To: TADSLOS
I asked you a simple question "did you have a problem with recruiting ads being run over Spanish cable?" and you had all night to come up with an answer. You haven't. So it's quite obvious that any more time spent on the subject with you is a waste of my time. Your 24 years in the Army were either not long enough or too long.
61 posted on 05/21/2002 7:25:06 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
You took a statement of fact that I posted and made a false assumption that I was against the Army recruiting non-citizens. I neither owe you an answer or an explanation at this point. You attack one of the few people on this thread who actually supports your position. Your loss. Thanks for your service to our nation.
62 posted on 05/21/2002 7:51:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: JeanS
There is certainly nothing new about having "foreigners" in our military. In 1952 I took basic training with a guy who had been in the German army during WWII. He was a Hungarian who was conscripted into the German army.

He enlisted in the U.S. Army as a means of getting his citizenship.

63 posted on 05/21/2002 7:55:03 AM PDT by jackbill
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To: Marine Inspector
At the request of the service member, the service will file the aliens citizenship paperwork for the alien and the INS will very rarely deny a service member, that is eligible, citizenship.
Citizenship has never been automatic and never will be automatic for aliens.

Thanks for the info. Questions: Do you know if a service member has to go through the same citizenship process as a civilian?
If a service member does not request citizenship, will the service kick him/her out?

64 posted on 05/21/2002 8:13:01 AM PDT by color_tear
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To: MissAmericanPie
and our government has turned into a treasonous, corrupt, tax eating entity, determined to destroy our foundations and culture while trampling on the will of the People that founded, fought for, and built it.

I've always thought the goverment is elected BY THE PEOPLE. Majority rules.
You sound like it is not. So what WE (Majority or minority) can do as people of the USA?

65 posted on 05/21/2002 8:21:53 AM PDT by color_tear
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To: color_tear
Yes and no. I don't think they have to go for the interview and test, but they must take the oath and be sworn by a Federal Judge (it may be a Military Judge, but I'm not sure).

If they want to reenlist past there initial enlistment, they must be a US citizen (I'm not sure if just having their paperwork filed is good enough).

66 posted on 05/21/2002 11:47:08 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: color_tear
Demand a turn around of your party, or promise them the same extinction they have in mind for our way of life by witholding your vote and writing in the most conservative candidate you can think of. That is what I plan to do.

Your vote is your weapon, lock and load it, then use it, don't just threaten.

Oh but we will get a democrat in office! So what? How much more damage can they do than is being done by the guy in office at present for four years? Clinton signed welfare reform, Bush has dismanteled it, and his disdain for the American citizen is so brazen that I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone to watch them worship the guy, I think it must be the Stockholm Syndrome. The Republican National Committee needs a broom stick shoved up their backs, they need to know that RINO's are not an acceptable soultion if they want conservative votes.

67 posted on 05/21/2002 2:07:28 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
bump to the top for the newbies to read and think about, and maybe make a comment!!
68 posted on 05/22/2002 10:39:49 AM PDT by timestax
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To: It'salmosttolate; OKCSubmariner; Askel5; RLK; Sabertooth; Tancredo Fan

69 posted on 05/23/2002 10:43:07 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: sarcasm
"47,500 military personnel are noncitizens"
70 posted on 05/24/2002 3:16:47 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: MissAmericanPie
U.S. military recruiting legal aliens holding green cards

ASSOCIATED PRESS
May 21, 2002

Even if you are not a U.S. citizen, Uncle Sam wants you.

About 47,500 military people are noncitizens, roughly 4 percent of the total, and the Pentagon is recruiting more.

"We recruit everywhere. We like to look like America and recruit anyone who is qualified," said Jim Cassella, a Pentagon spokesman.

Mr. Cassella said the noncitizens must have green cards certifying they are legally in the country. They may serve only a single term of enlistment — two to four years — before applying for citizenship and cannot hold a military job that requires a security clearance.

The same legal residents are barred from working as civilian airport screeners in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Some noncitizen servicemen say they thought defending the United States automatically made them an American.

Alberto Castillo learned the hard way that isn't the case. He left Chihuahua, Mexico, as a child and has lived in America for nearly 50 years, four of which were spent in the Army and 21 in the National Guard.

Nobody told him he wasn't a citizen until he applied for a civil service job after leaving active duty. He was referred to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which told him he needed to apply for citizenship.

"If the military is picking up people left and right, they should make you a citizen automatically," said Mr. Castillo, 55, of San Antonio. He is applying for citizenship now.

Marine Lance Cpl. Karina Bejarano, 24, also mistakenly believed she was a citizen.

"You have to swear in and swear to defend this country. I would figure you do that and boom-boom, you become a citizen," said Cpl. Bejarano, who was born in Peru and moved to the United States when she was 10. She plans to apply for citizenship next month.

Maj. Ben Owens, a Pentagon spokesman, said there is no policy requiring recruiters to discuss citizenship.

The military does provide a faster route to citizenship. Legal permanent residents may become U.S. citizens after serving in the military for three years; the wait for civilians is five years. But their service does not exempt them from civics and English proficiency tests or immigration fees.

Rep. Martin Frost, Texas Democrat, has written legislation to reduce the required military service to two years, waive fees and let soldiers go through the citizenship processes at U.S. embassies. Mr. Frost said that under current policy, noncitizen service members stationed abroad must pay their way back to the United States for citizenship tests and their naturalization oath.

"If people serve two years honorably in the military, certainly they should be able to become citizens," said Mr. Frost, who is married to a two-star Army general. "Anyone putting his or her life on the line to defend the country has established that he or she is a great American."

Mr. Frost will try this week to include the measure in an emergency spending bill.

71 posted on 01/05/2003 2:39:01 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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