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["Icons of Evolution"] Premiere Evolves into Protest
The Falcon (Seattle Pacific U. student paper) ^ | 5/15/2002 | Haley Clark

Posted on 05/20/2002 10:45:00 AM PDT by jennyp

Premiere evolves into protest
Film argues for expanded scope of science education


Premiere evolves into protest
Saul Renderfrance

The "Icons of Evolution" documentary, which highlights what some scholars regard as problems with a number of pieces of evidence commonly used to support Darwinian evolution, premiered in Third Gwinn Friday night.

Friday evening’s premiere of the film "Icons of Evolution" met with dissension from people within and without the bounds of SPU.

These dissenters include members of the SPU biology department and a group called Burlington-Edison Committee for Science Education (BECSE).

Prior to the event, in the stairwell inside Gwinn, members of BECSE handed out packets of information about Jonathan Wells, a biologist featured in the film.

The event, which was sponsored by the Political Union Club, the SPU political science department and the Discovery Institute, a non-profit, non-partisan education group based in Seattle, was attended by approximately 500 people, according to John West, Discovery Institute senior fellow and SPU political science chair.

After the film presentation, panelists answered questions posed by 15 to 20 people. The panelists included Wells, Discovery Institute President Bruce Chapman and Roger DeHart, former biology teacher at Burlington-Edison High School, who got reassigned by his school district for teaching biological evidence against evolution and telling students about scientists who were skeptical of Darwin’s theory.

According to an email from Carl Johnson, a member of BECSE, he handed out literature between 6:30 and 7:15 p.m. prior to the 7:30 p.m. event.

Premiere evolves into protest
Saul Renderfrance

Jonathan Wells, microbiologist and author of "Icons of Evolution," participates in a panel that commented on and responded to questions regarding the documentary inspired partly by his book.
"At 7:15 p.m. Mr. Chapman...arrived and was livid at us for handing these out. Five minutes later Campus Security arrived and told us they received a call from those putting on the program that they wanted us removed from the property," Johnson said.

Chapman said that this is incorrect and that he was happy to have the protestors at the event. He talked to them when he walked into Gwinn and was given some of their materials. According to Chapman, he did not call security.

"I was happy to have them there. Unwittingly they served a useful purpose," Chapman said. He also said that the packets of information consisted of personal attacks aimed at Wells, rather than the discussion of issues.

The two packets were entitled; "The Talented Mr. Wells" and "Jonathan Wells: Who is He, What Is He Doing Here, and Why?".

West pointed out the irony in that this same group whose protesting helped get DeHart into trouble with his school district were allowed free speech at Friday’s event. West emphasized the importance of the group members being permitted to have free speech.

"SPU is a university and we should prize discussion of different points of veiw."

According to Director of SPU Safety and Security Mark Reid, security responded to the scene after someone who was concerned that the protestors would disrupt the event alerted security. West said that security responded because he had asked that they be called in case the group decided to disrupt the event by shouting or yelling. He said however, that handing out information was fine with him.

Premiere evolves into protest
Saul Renderfrance

Sophomore Mackensie Rogers asks the panel about possible ways for future biology teachers to avoid the problems that the controversy caused Roger Dehart.
Reid said that they (the group members) were relatively peaceful and just wanted to get their point across.

"We were fine with that," Reid said. "They were not asked to leave campus."

"There were no real difficulties with these guys," Reid said.

Members of BECSE, including Johnson, attended the event.

The film shown at the event presented scientific evidence that questioned the accuracy of evidence that has been used to support Darwinian evolution. One piece of evidence discussed was Darwin’s Galapagos finches. The finches have been used as an example of how changes in the environment can bring about alterations in species’ physical attributes.

According to information presented in the film, the evidence collected to date only shows fluctuations in the finches’ beak size. These fluctuations are dependent on climate and have not produced long-term changes.

SPU senior biology major Nathan Brouwer attended the event.

"I thought it was a really well-made movie," Brouwer said.

However, Brouwer thought that the event used science as a guise for a political agenda of reintroducing God into public school science curriculum.

West commented on this.

"The point of Friday’s event was not about having God in the classroom but about good science education," West said. "[Students] should be exposed to the diversity of scientific opinion about the key evidences for Darwin’s theory."

West said that schools should not teach Darwinian evolution as "unquestioned fact, when it’s not."

Biology Department Chair Rick Ridgway identifies himself as a theistic evolutionist, which means that God as a creator could use evolution to bring about the diversity of organisms.

About a month prior to the event, West sent Ridgway and other faculty members invitations to participate in the panel at the event.

All of the faculty members declined to be panelists.

Ridgway said that he felt it was odd that SPU faculty were invited to be on the panel, but scientists such as Eugenie Scott and Ken Miller, who represented evolutionary support in the film, were not asked to attend.

According to Ridgway, if they had been given around six months’ notice, the science department may have been able to generate funds for bringing one or both of the scientists to the event.

West said that planning for the event only began about six to eight weeks ago, so he could not have given Ridgway six months’ notice. Also, because Darwinian biologists have the majority view, he did not think it would be difficult to get some of them to attend the event.

When Ridgway asked about having Scott or Miller attend the event, West told him that he did not have the money to pay for either of the scientists to attend the event and be part of the panel. However, he said he would have liked for them to attend.

According to West, the Discovery Institute did not have to pay for Wells and DeHart to attend the event because they live in the area. But Scott and Miller live in San Francisco and Rhode Island, respectively, according to West.

West said that he did not feel that the presence of Scott and Miller was necessary for having a meaningful discussion at the event.

According to Ridgway, the goal of the Discovery Institute is to remove evolutionary theory from high schools and substitute intelligent design theory, or at least make the theories equal.

West said that this is an incorrect assertion. "The goal of the Discovery Institute is far from wanting evolution removed from the classroom," West said. "Discovery Institute adopts the approach that we ought to teach more about evolution and not less, and that includes problems with [evolutionary] theory."

Ridgway said that as a field, science is designed to look at the natural world and not to take a stand on whether or not God exists. He said that so far there is no empirical evidence to support intelligent design theory.

According to West, the theory of intelligent design is that "the specified complexity that we see [in the universe] is best explained as a product of an intellectual cause rather than being caused by chance and necessity," West said.

According to Ridgway, prior to the event, he sent an email to West and copied it to President Phil Eaton and other members of the administration.

According to Ridgway, his email said, "My concern here is simply that SPU and the Discovery Institute be seen as separate entities, and more specifically that the underlying political objectives of the Discovery Institute Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture not be assumed to be the official stance of the university."

"The university does not take an official stance on evolution," Ridgway said.

According to Ridgway, after he sent out the email, West contacted him and said that he would be happy to make an announcement at the event saying that the views of the Discovery Institute are not necessarily the views of SPU. "I was happy to do that," West said.

However, West said that he did not recall any other event at SPU in which that kind of announcement has been made. He pointed out that at a university there are many events that espouse differing points of view.

SPU sophomore Mackensie Rogers attended the film premiere. Rogers is a biology major who plans to teach high school biology.

Rogers agreed with West that evolution is only a theory.

"A lot of the high school text books have it (evolution) as being the total truth and it’s not, it’s just a theory," Rogers said. "It isn’t science if you’re only seeing one side."

"I’m just really glad I was able to go to [the event]."



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To: VadeRetro;medved
When seeing Medved regurgipost, I am reminded of this webpage, dissecting another Holden regurgipost, and neatly cutting him off at the ankles.

It even shows neatly how misspellings can be propogated. Fun for the whole family!

61 posted on 05/21/2002 8:26:39 AM PDT by ThinkPlease
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To: ThinkPlease
If that doesn't make it clear what's going on, I don't know what it would take.
62 posted on 05/21/2002 9:18:40 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
It's always entertaining when the Darwinists and their media supporters attack without having read the book, or even seen the movie.
63 posted on 05/21/2002 9:34:16 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: ThinkPlease
When seeing Medved regurgipost, I am reminded of this webpage, dissecting another Holden regurgipost, and neatly cutting him off at the ankles.

MacRae or any of the other talk.origins clown force could say "oink oink" or "hee-haw" and you'd claim he had utterly destroyed me with his erudition.

The basic bottom line is that if Steve Gould didn't want creationists quoting him that there were no intermediate fossils, he should never have SAID that there were no intermediate fossils. The clown was trying to have it both ways. He wanted to make those statements when he needed to get the dead hand of evolutionism off of paleontology, and then he wanted to make creationists out as liars for quoting him after his little "punk-eek" revolution had succeeded.

64 posted on 05/21/2002 9:39:47 AM PDT by medved
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To: VadeRetro
. . . Unfortunately, Dr. Wells is intellectually dishonest. When I first encountered his attempts at journalism, I thought he might be a woefully deficient scholar because his critiques about peppered moth research were full of errors... and yadda yadda from Bruce Grant. No substance, no evidence, just ad hominem attack. Irrelevant, Vade.
65 posted on 05/21/2002 9:42:31 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: gore3000
they interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

Unlike horses and donkeys, which you claim are the same species. I'll ask again: What if Noah had taken a male horse and a female donkey on the Ark?

66 posted on 05/21/2002 9:56:17 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry
Too late.
67 posted on 05/21/2002 10:07:12 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: medved; Phaedrus
The basic bottom line is that if Steve Gould didn't want creationists quoting him that there were no intermediate fossils, he should never have SAID that there were no intermediate fossils.

You have to ask "Intermediate between what?" You and other quote-miners use Gould to "prove" what he did not say, that Archaeopteryx, the fossil hominids, the dino-bird transitionals, the walking/amphibious whales somehow aren't there. Not what he said; not what he meant.

Gould is saying that it is and should be hard (but not impossible) to find the transitionals in speciation. The level of transition that he's talking about, most C-siders glibly concede as microevolution and call it irrelevant.

If the person who said the thing you're quoting can't straighten you out on what he said, what it means, and how far it goes, who can? Whose authority are you appealing to?

Grant is saying the same thing about Wells quoting Grant. You have to believe Grant knows what he said and what it should be evidence for. If you don't believe that, why cite him as an authority in the first place? (To rope in the dummies, that's why.)

68 posted on 05/21/2002 10:10:33 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: medved
MacRae or any of the other talk.origins clown force could say "oink oink" or "hee-haw" and you'd claim he had utterly destroyed me with his erudition.

Did you notice the difference between your quotes and the full quotes provided? Not pretty. The writer's erudition has nothing to do with it.

69 posted on 05/21/2002 10:20:00 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: ThinkPlease
It even shows neatly how misspellings can be propogated. Fun for the whole family!

Now THAT'S entertainment!

Great find....

70 posted on 05/21/2002 10:27:24 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: jennyp
I forget, who are the reasonable creationists around here? I guess they should get a bump too. :-)

Here I am! Here I am!!

Although for full disclosure purposes I am probably more accurately called a theistic evolutionist. I believe we are God's Creation, but the details are left to naturalistic scientific observation.

71 posted on 05/21/2002 10:38:07 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Phaedrus
and yadda yadda from Bruce Grant. No substance, no evidence, just ad hominem attack. Irrelevant, Vade.

And the Icon of Obfuscation link? Not just a bad review, a detailed rebuttal.

72 posted on 05/21/2002 10:39:20 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: ThinkPlease
Hehehe...
73 posted on 05/21/2002 10:46:00 AM PDT by Junior
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To: VadeRetro
How much do you want to hear about Andrew MacRae?
74 posted on 05/21/2002 10:47:14 AM PDT by medved
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To: medved
MacRae or any of the other talk.origins clown force could say "oink oink" or "hee-haw" and you'd claim he had utterly destroyed me with his erudition.

But they didn't oink or bray. They showed your quote mining for what it is -- a rather poor and misleading attempt at argument from authority.

75 posted on 05/21/2002 10:48:09 AM PDT by Junior
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To: medved
The basic bottom line is that if Steve Gould didn't want creationists quoting him that there were no intermediate fossils, he should never have SAID that there were no intermediate fossils.

"Archaeopteryx, the first bird, is as pretty an intermediate as paleontology could ever hope to find."(Gould 1991, p. 144-145)

If you don't pull a quote out of context, you wouldn't have this problem.

76 posted on 05/21/2002 10:51:03 AM PDT by Junior
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To: medved
How much do you want to hear about Andrew MacRae?

Is MacRae taking quotes out of context in an effort to mislead the reader?

77 posted on 05/21/2002 10:53:02 AM PDT by Junior
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To: VadeRetro
Bruce Grant is a complete unknown. He's quoted because you like what he says although it's completely off-topic and thus irrelevant. As to intermediate forms, the paleontologists are cited again and again to the effect that none can be found. "Just so" stories won't do. The case is therefore closed.
78 posted on 05/21/2002 11:17:11 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: VadeRetro
Any mere handful controversial "intermediate forms" that are trumpeted by the Evolutionists must be evaluated within the context of 250,000 - 300,000 separate and distinct species. More new species are being identified every day. And species have a habit of remaining stable for millions of years. Facts, Vade, facts.
79 posted on 05/21/2002 11:24:00 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: VadeRetro
From Icons of Obfuscation: "Jonathan Wells' book Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth? Why Much of What We Teach About Evolution Is Wrong(henceforth Icons) makes a travesty of the notion of honest scholarship. Purporting to document..."

This is a tract, a screed, a smear, Vade. Icons is well-documented and speaks for itself. Read it.

80 posted on 05/21/2002 11:34:52 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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