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To: cgbg
I think you nailed it. It looks like during the 60s and 70s the liberals took over much of the church creating an environment (squishy "tolerance", etc) where homosexuality and therefore pedohilia could flourish.

How utterly ridiculous a statement.

Impossible to prove but I [brought up and educated as a Catholic] have always believed the church was founded and promoted by homosexuals...it has always glorified males and treated women with contempt, except when in their traditional roles as mothers, and even then women don't/didn't get much respect from the "fathers" of the church. Homosexuals are the only men who feel compelled to glorify and elevate men and who have nothing but contempt for women. This has been deeply embedded throughout church history and dogma from the beginning. You do the math.

I believe people who remain devoted to religion are child-like and addicted to fairy tales. People should think for themselves. If it should turn out, for the sake of argument, that there is no "supreme God-figure," then the Christian-Judeo ethic that all right thinking people abide by is the sole creation of man -- perhaps inspired by the belief in a supreme being but nevertheless developed and adopted by "mere" humans. Not believing in such a mythical God-figure does not make people bad. Just realistic.

Hawking said recently that he believes there is "something" [my quotes] -- some kind of intelligence -- behind the universe, [while not acknowledging that this entity would be a supreme being in the religion-based model]. I think that's the farthest he has ever come to making such a declaration.

But something does not equal a supreme being who created every nook and cranny of a world filled with misery, sickness, death, evil, and destruction. We mere humans should step up and take responsibility for what happens here on earth and maybe then those who find comfort in the words "it's God's will" will realize that some things are beyond our control [acts of nature, the weather, etc.] and some are not and that we all should strive to make the world a better place for everyone in this lifetime."

29 posted on 05/17/2002 8:40:50 AM PDT by medlarebil
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To: medlarebil
"If it should turn out, for the sake of argument, that there is no "supreme God-figure," then the Christian-Judeo ethic that all right thinking people abide by is the sole creation of man -- perhaps inspired by the belief in a supreme being but nevertheless developed and adopted by "mere" humans. Not believing in such a mythical God-figure does not make people bad. Just realistic."

Ok. So...if those who believe are wrong, then nothing will happen, right? (Nothing on the other side of death. We live, we die, like plants. Period. Ok. Got it.)

BUT...If YOU are wrong, what will happen to you before the Judge of All?

31 posted on 05/17/2002 8:48:47 AM PDT by redhead
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To: medlarebil
"I believe people who remain devoted to religion are child-like and addicted to fairy tales"

OK, and I believe people who remain devoted to self are child-like and addicted to egomania.
But when YOU say it, it is out of intellectual superiority, but when I say it, it is 'cause I'm a dullard who cannot think for myself?

35 posted on 05/17/2002 9:08:07 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: medlarebil
I believe people who remain devoted to religion are child-like

Jesus Christ said the same thing about his followers, but approvingly.

The more impressed you are with your own intelligence and wisdom over God's, the less likely you are ever to come to the truth about things that really matter.

And only a fool would conclude that homosexual behavior is healthy, smart, and morality-neutral. You don't have to conclude otherwise because Judeo-Christian belief says so. Nature itself teaches this obvious truth, and AIDS, anal gonorrhea, and hepatitis B etc prove it in spades.

38 posted on 05/17/2002 9:15:29 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: medlarebil
madlarebil=liberaldem.

Your stupidity is showing. Mount thy broom and hie thee to DU before someone dumps a bucket of water on you.

39 posted on 05/17/2002 9:17:32 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: medlarebil
revelc os ton medlarebil
62 posted on 05/17/2002 11:38:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: medlarebil
A very thoughtful and informed post. Of course, you will be savaged by the "true believers" and those who cringe in fear of an afterlife and are sadistic enough to hope that non believers will suffer eternal torment. Such bitterness, such hostility. So much for Christian charity and forbearance.
139 posted on 05/17/2002 7:39:13 PM PDT by Barset
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