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To: livius
The problem is that the "new" Catholic Church has forgotten the absolutes. In fact, it has forgotten the four absolutes, formerly known as the Four Last Things: Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell.

Well, you can spend your time worrying about those things.

For me, the absolute is to "Love one another as I have loved you." If we always strive to do that, the Judgment will take care of itself.

61 posted on 05/16/2002 7:13:12 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
St. Augustine said "Love and do what you will." The problem is that many people have a strange and uninformed understanding of love that basically boils down to "feel good and do what you will."

Love means obeying the commandments. "If you love Me, keep My commandments;" but after years of religious non-education, most Catholics probably could not even tell you what they are.

67 posted on 05/16/2002 7:23:50 PM PDT by livius
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To: sinkspur
I cannot believe that you can love others as God has loved you unless you first love God. That is the order of the commandments and that order is what is lacking in the presentation these days.With a better understanding of the first commandment the second becomes clear and the love we are called to is nothing like that fuzzy little warm feeling that we desire to experience.

I believe one of the major mistakes of Vatican II was forgetting the Baltimore Catechism and looking to "experience" God.He gave us a mind to know Him,a heart to love Him and a body to serve Him.Once we get that straight,its pretty easy. I must admit it did take me a while to get it straight after dallying with the new church and rationalizing sinful behavior,I woke up and realized that what I was taught as a child was Truth,I had been reprogrammed and it took a big thwack upside the head to bring me back.And,for that I am grateful to God.

177 posted on 05/16/2002 11:43:23 PM PDT by saradippity
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