Why Islam Can't Join the Modern World

FrontPageMagazine.com | ^ | May 16, 2002 | Jamie Glazov

[Jakarta ex-pat]

"That's odd, I don't remember the UN or the NWO or even liberals hijacking planes to be used as missiles"

Liberals and the UN have done far more damage to America and the west than Isam.

If you can't see that, I can't help you.

[skateman]

Islam teaches that the devil spends the night in the cavity of the nose.

That ol' devil is one mean bugger.

LOL

[headsonpikes]

Bump your #28.

[Cicero]

In the past, the Arab Muslims make great strides in mathematics, medicine, architecture, and astronomy. Something went wrong later.

It's not clear whether Musims ever actually had a high civilization. They overran and conquered the most civilized parts of the ancient world, and enslaved a number of highly intelligent and civilized people. It seems likely that most of their accomplishments were the work of these slaves and other second-class citizens, who lived in dhimmitude within the Muslim empire.

In other words, they lived off the capital of the past and of people whom they conquered. But they accomplished very little on their own.

Even in areas of art and architecture, their main accomplishments--such as Persian and Indian Mogul art--are not really Islamic, but are borrowings from more civilized people. And when Islam in its purity came to the fore, these innovative movements in art disappeared, because they were not in the spirit of the Koran.

[TransOxus]

Muslims did not really create anything innovative as claimed. These innovations came from non-Islamic civilizations they had conquered particularly during the "honeymoon period" after the conquest. Later, pure Islam took over and they regressed. Under Christianity, many of the backward and uncivilized tribes in Europe which were worse than third-world status in the first millenum began to become civilized and the Eastern Civilizations were their El Dorado. At this time, Muslims had conquered the nations which were the conduit between the East and the West and Europeans naturally and mistakenly thought the muslims were the originators of innovation and civilization when in fact it was Indian, Chinese, Persian, Egyptian, and Greek Civilizations who were the the true originators.

[born yesterday]

For 1400 years Islam advanced by force. In lands where they rule they tolerate no other religion. (The unimportant exception: a few ghettos of Christians and Jews here and there).

Islam now counts more than one billion followers. This culture of death possesses power...but not necessarily good.

[eleni121]

In the past, the Arab Muslims make great strides in mathematics, medicine, architecture, and astronomy. Something went wrong later.

Wrong very wrong. Muslims Arabs conquered and learned from their conquered peoples mainly Byzantine Christians who were in possession of the great clasical works. NO original creative thinking has ever come out of the islamic environment.

[timestax]

bump

[eleni121]

Don't be too disappointed but they did not invent algebra. Another myth promoted in the public schools. Actually, Diophantus, often known as the 'father of algebra', and is best known for his Arithmetica, a work on the solution of algebraic equations and on the theory of numbers. He was of greek origin and lived in 3rd century Egypt. Again, it was the muslims how having conquered the region brought these ideas to the west.

[Flashlight]

...from watching Muslims college students, they are required to greet each other by saying "What's up?" and smacking their palms together...

LOL; good one.

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

Wrong very wrong. Muslims Arabs conquered and learned from their conquered peoples mainly Byzantine Christians who were in possession of the great clasical works. NO original creative thinking has ever come out of the islamic environment.

Then the same can be said for Europeans, whose strides in mathematics and astrononomy came from earlier civilizations.

[LenS]

But Europeans took those advances by the Greeks and Romans and massively improved upon them. Islamic states slowly went backwards after starting with a similar base and only improved by importing Western people and knowledge.

[LenS]

As a caucasian, I am FAR safer here than in my own country.

Wow, you're another McVeigh! A white racist so angry at US non-whites that you'll side with non-white Islamics who would exterminate the US if they could. Oh well, that just means that you're another enemy of freedom and the US. Please stay in Jakarta. I'm sure a pogrom will come along to keep you entertained.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Incredible!

[Centurion2000]

After reading this I am reminded of the Ministry of Funny Walks for some reason.

[Jakarta ex-pat]

"Wow, you're another McVeigh!"

?

"A white racist."

please define racist.

"so angry at US non-whites"

I never mentioned "US non-whites once". Americans, as far as I am aware, are Americans irrelevant of skin colour.

"that you'll side with non-white Islamics who would exterminate the US if they could."

I would side with neither white NOR non-white people who wished to exterminate the US.

"Oh well, that just means that you're another enemy of freedom and the US"

LOL!

"Please stay in Jakarta."

So you are capable of being polite.

" I'm sure a pogrom will come along to keep you entertained."

Please define pogrom.

BTW, If you really believe I am a racist, I advise you to do the following

1) Push the abuse button. (last one to the right)

2) Ask me for the name of my International School's e-mail here in Jakarta. I'm sure the principal and students will be very interested in this information, and I'm sure you will be able to get me fired.

3) You better tell my wife that she has married a RACIST.

She's "not white", ( I dare not use the word caucasian as it might not be to your liking) and neither is my daughter for that matter. (i'll also include include my home number, and yes you can call collect.)

Please don't bother hiding behind Freepmail. I won't look at it. Just air your thoughts here on the forum.

[Texas Gal]

"They are not allowed to sleep on their backs or on their stomachs or on their left sides. They have to sleep on their right sides."

Elderly Islamic people must be extremely prone to bedsores on the right side.

[swarthyguy]

Muslims are instructed that they have to use their right side for all things first.

You put your right foot in,

You pull your left foot out

Shake it all about

[SauronOfMordor]

Actually, most of the strides culture attributed to Islam came from cultures subjected to Islam: Persia, India (mathematics), Egypt, Christian Asia Minor and Greece. Islam's cultural record is really pretty bare when you strip out the products of conquered peoples.

Islam's decline is coincident with it running out of conquerable civilized regions. During its "Golden Age", it had a steady influx of captive people from established civilizations who had experience in running a working civilization.

[Fudd]

While we're talking about the lack of progress in Islam, a little tidbit I dug up while reading for my dissertation...

In 1455, Gutenburg invented the printing press. While many early texts were religious in nature, the Church was concerned about what else might be printed, and before the end of the century some regions censored books. However, printed copies of Luther's theses were widely distributed (because of the printing press), thus the Reformation. In the centuries since, many other works shaped European history.

Islam, on the other hand, banned the printing press until the 18th century....

From Europe: a History by Davies.