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Police Seize Rental Truck With Traces of TNT
FoxNews ^ | 05-13-02 | GRRRRR

Posted on 05/13/2002 4:04:25 PM PDT by GRRRRR

Two men in custody, believed to be Israelis (?!) after bomb sniffing dogs detected a Ryder truck with bomb residue in it. Additional tests with other higher tech sniffing devices confirmed the results.

Article HERE

It's Starting....GRRRRRRRollin'


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: nuttery; randsconcerntrolls; terrorism; terrorwar
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To: corebreech
Your link took me to the "Register" page for the New York Times. I'm not about to register there to see what you may or may not have posted, because you've just shot your own foot off as far as I'm concerned. 8:56 was a considerable time after the article first appeared on the FOX website. I omitted nothing, and terilyn omitted nothing, particularly nothing about residue being found on the vehicle's occupants, because THAT info wasn't added until later. You can see that more than one person thought that was odd. Why would we eliminate a point to keep people from seeing it, and then talk about its absence, as more than one person did? Didn't you READ the comments?

You have accused me of altering a published article, which is a pretty serious charge, and you have given no proof. Since Terilyn posted the article before that info was added, you are also accusing HER of altering a published article. You've also called me a liar. Pretty stupid, even for a newbie.

I am pinging everyone on this thread who posted before I did last night; perhaps you'll call all of them liars too. You're just that rude and arrogant.

221 posted on 05/14/2002 4:23:10 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: GRRRRR; Lion's Cub; Neanderthal; Mixer; cmsgop; terilyn; Dog; jackliberty; Aliska; L,TOWM...
Hey guys, I've just been called a liar by someone who signed up at FR this very day. I have also been accused of deliberately editing Carl Cameron's article to eliminate the reference to the dogs detecting explosive residue on the occupants of the truck, when in fact that detail was not IN the article at the time I read it.

You were all here at the beginning of this thread and posted comments before I did, so I assume that at least some of you read the article at the FOX site--indeed you would have had to, since at first there was only a link to the story. How many of you saw the article WITHOUT the sentence about the dogs finding something interesting on the driver and his companion?

222 posted on 05/14/2002 4:33:46 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: corebreech;hellinahandcart
You posted an article from the NY Times. I posted the article, AS IT WAS WRITTEN AT THE TIME from Fox News. Fox News was breaking this story live and had it up on the website immediately. I posted it exactly the way it was written. It shouldn't come to a shock to you that as more details emerged the story on the website was edited and more information was added as it became available.

I did NOT edit ANYTHING while posting the article.

Nice way to make an entry on to FR. Jump in and start calling people liars? Go figure...

223 posted on 05/14/2002 4:38:18 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn
I think the little idiot is claiming to have posted the FOX article at some NYT forum or other (not that I'm going to fill in all the "required fields" the NYT wants in order to find out), but it doesn't matter. He was way late getting to the game and doesn't know what he's talking about. He just won't admit it.
224 posted on 05/14/2002 4:48:57 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
I think you're right.

There's NO WAY I would edit an article and post it here. Heck, after Jim Rob's warning about editing titles I certainly wouldn't edit an entire article!

225 posted on 05/14/2002 4:59:36 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn; hellinahandcart
I can verify that terilyn's copy was accurate.

As soon as I saw the original post, I took the link to FN, copied the story on word pad, formatted it, then returned to the thread to make sure it hadn't already been posted by someone else before I added it to the thread.

As it turned out, terilyn had already done so. I compared my copy to hers to make sure it hadn't been updated on mine and didn't find any differences.

Now I'm going to go back and read the rest of the thread to see what this is all about. My IPO connection went bad last night (from the storms I guess), so I haven't read most of this.

226 posted on 05/14/2002 5:06:40 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: hellinahandcart;terilyn;corebreech
Hey, hell, I believe you. I can't find the article at all now at FOX, but I know how they keep updating stories all the time. Terilyn posted a Carl Cameron article at 7:09pm, well over an hour before this NEWBIE posted his/hers on the New York Times website.

As for accusing people of being juvenile, NEWBIE, let's see what a grown up you are by owning up to your mistakes and apologizing for falsely accusing people.

You're getting off on the wrong foot, NEWBIE, by hurling personal accusations around at other FReepers.

227 posted on 05/14/2002 5:07:23 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Motherhood IS a career
"...This makes sense to me, but why don't you enlighten us to the truth?"

I don't know anything about the situation in Patterson NJ you mention.

I was discussing the Israeli tourist/movers who were observed cheering the catastrophe from three locations in NJ. Some early reports sounded like they were viewing the initial collision. The FBI thought they were possibly part of the plot and spent a lot of manpower tracking them down. They were reported as 'Middle Easterners' in the press.

(As a curious side note, bomb-sniffing dogs reacted to the vehicle in which they were apprehended while no explosives were found.)

"Whatever came of these 'suspicious Israelis'? Was it ever established that they were indeed terrorists or spies?"

Officially these guys were tourists and were deported after a while. As I mentioned in 156, the Forward recently published a claim that the FBI concluded the moving company was a front and they were spies.

There were two other tourist/movers apprehended later in an unrelated incident that I mentioned but the only press coverage AFAIK was the initial article in a small town paper.

228 posted on 05/14/2002 5:11:55 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: hellinahandcart
LOL, how funny. It says that NOW but it sure didn't say it last night.

It in fact did state that last night.

The clear implication of your statements here is that Carl Cameron changed the story once the other "FBI-dud" story came out, and that is simply false.

But... I have the story saved on my hard disk at 8:22PM EST, that's approximately an hour after you claim to have accessed it. Despite your obvious need to dismiss Mr. Cameron's credentials as a journalist I suppose it's possible the story changed in that hour.

So it was wrong to accuse you of lying about that. My apologies.

229 posted on 05/14/2002 5:19:41 PM PDT by corebreech
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To: hellinahandcart
The dogs were in.
230 posted on 05/14/2002 5:19:41 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Tarakotchi
I wrote "the only press coverage AFAIK was the initial article in a small town paper". I should clarify that remark, other outlets did pick up and report that story. I meant there has been no follow-up I am aware of.
231 posted on 05/14/2002 5:19:55 PM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: hellinahandcart
Well I thought they were in. Now looking at the lead sentence again tells me how I picked up that idea. I didn't go to the news site to read the entire article.
232 posted on 05/14/2002 5:23:02 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: terilyn
No, I posted the FOX News story, but to a forum in the New York Times.

I suppose you may be correct, that the story was changing during the course of the night. However, the key contention is that it did not address the residue found on the suspects until today, or more pointedly, until after the other story came out quoting the FBI as saying the tests were negative.

I never accused you of editing the story. I didn't even know you had posted the story earlier.

And in any case, you weren't the one who was essentially calling Carl Cameron a liar, now were you?

233 posted on 05/14/2002 5:25:42 PM PDT by corebreech
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To: wimpycat
As for accusing people of being juvenile, NEWBIE, let's see what a grown up you are by owning up to your mistakes and apologizing for falsely accusing people.

Actually I've already done that.

Let's see if hellinahandcart is big enough to admit the same about his comments that Carl Cameron edited the story in reply to the later story about the FBI.

234 posted on 05/14/2002 5:29:08 PM PDT by corebreech
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To: corebreech
Carl Cameron may very well have edited the story an hour later once he got the info from the FBI. As I said, it was breaking on TV at the same time that the article posted to their website. It wouldn't be surprising to have more info come out and later be added.
235 posted on 05/14/2002 5:39:24 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: corebreech
"I suppose you may be correct, that the story was changing during the course of the night" is not an apology, it's a politician's excuse for an apology, and just as lukewarm.

A simple apology reads like this: "I apologize for calling you a liar and for accusing you personally of editing the article for your own nefarious motives." Since you were wrong, and you had no proof, it would be "big" of you to apologize.

And I don't see any implication on hell's part that Carl Cameron edited his story for any particular reason, let alone nefarious. I've seen it many times, that news websites continually edit and update their stories, especially right after they're posted.

236 posted on 05/14/2002 5:41:53 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: anapikoros
No Prob.
237 posted on 05/14/2002 9:16:17 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: Illbay
The Arab inhabitants of the Golans are the local Druze who number about 20,000. Israel offered citizenship to them on December 14, 1981 when it formally annexed the Golans. However, based on the "feedback" from Damascus this Druze community refused Israeli offer.
238 posted on 05/14/2002 9:51:38 PM PDT by l33t
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To: clamboat
New York cabs don't have radios, though some drivers jabber away into mobiles. Cab radios were banned in the Fifties (?)and hacks were restricted to picking up kerbside fares. Limo drivers --"black taxis" in the parlance of the Taxi & Limo Commission -- have radios, but their drivers are mostly russians, koreans and the like.

Why did they ban radios?

Same reason that we're still saddled with rent control. Up until Rudy (God bless him)!, City Hall never a saw a free market it didn't want to regulate or a tax it could resist imposing. The fact that all but two councilors are Dems is all the explanation you should need.

239 posted on 05/14/2002 11:13:39 PM PDT by Big Bunyip
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To: clamboat
"Uhm, yeah, that sound pretty credible! No reason to doubt your friend at all. I'm sure it happened just like that!
(you must be this dumb to breed in America today)"

"Careful with that axe, Eugene..."

240 posted on 05/15/2002 4:15:10 AM PDT by Mong
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