Fortuyn Party Soars in Polls

BBC News ^ | 13 May 2002

[wheezer]

If you're talking about Muslim Fundamentalists...then the answewr is yes, we are incompatable.

If you're talking just about Muslims generally, then no, I'm not convinced we are incompatable.

[Southack]

"I would personally like to see a complete ban on immigration by Islamics."

A complete ban would mean that people such as my next door neighbor's friend, the Shah of Iran's son, would be prevented from escaping from their oppressors (in theory). Likewise, the King of Afghanistan would be prevented from coming back here. NATO allies from Turkey would be prevented by that ban, as would be Iraqi's opposed to Saddam Hussein.

I couldn't support a complete ban.

Jordan's King Hussein and Afghanistan's new interim leader are both proving themselves to be civilized, contributing members of society, also. Mushariff of Pakistan seems to be playing ball, as well. Further, Bangladeshi's seem presently opposed to radical Islam.

The last time I checked, Salman Rushdie was a Muslim, too...

[Lazamataz]

I couldn't support a complete ban.

Okay, I spoke too rashly.

How about a near-complete ban?

[Lazamataz]

But what makes us Americans is not whether we eat Wonderbread rather than tortillas or pita bread

Yes it is.

After all, Wonder Bread builds bones TWELVE WAYS, where the others do not.

[Topaz]

I just read your homepage. Thanks for what you wrote and for loving America!

[Southack]

"Okay, I spoke too rashly."

Ooohh. Like I haven't been guilty of that before!

[Harrison Bergeron]

"It occurs to me that there is little difference between unbriddled immigration and full-on invasion."

I would qualify your definition of "immigration" as unassimilated immigration. But there's more going on than the mere facilitation of immigration by Western "leaders," who seek only to pump more warm bodies into their economies. The "Pursuit of Happiness" used to mean the honoring of G_d, Home and Family." It has been cheapened by, among other things, liberal social engineering to mean "the pursuit of pleasure and entertainment." In a nutshell, people who see the end goal as pleasure ain't gonna have enough crying, puking, needful babies to replace themselves. And this is exactly what's happening. Massive, facilitated, unassimilated immigration is the end game, and we've already lost. A population that doesn't replace itself will, sooner or later, be replaced involuntarily via simple attrition. If there are no longer enough young, strong, patriotic men to defend it, it's no longer ours. Europe hasn't maintained replacement birthrates in decades - America is right behind them. Look where they're making all the babies, then look who's coming to dinner. Bend over and fire up the barby, cuz' we're havin' flamin' shishkebobs tonight.

[Sunsong]

Thanks for the good news. I want to see good come from the senseless murder of Pim Fortuyn. I like what Andrew Sullivan said:

"One way to respect his legacy and defy the violence that felled him is to follow his example and keep stating what we know to be true."

[knighthawk]

Thank you for reading it.

[DoughtyOne]

My only quibble with your comments is that I don't see massive immigration as being able to be assimilated. That's why I referenced unbridled. Reasoned regulated immigration in numbers that can be assimilated is fine with me. But I think we ought to consider certain nation's citizens to be contraindicated if we truly desire assimilation. I'm not convinced that Islamics can ever assimilate in a Christian nation.

[austinTparty]

After all, Wonder Bread builds bones TWELVE WAYS, where the others do not.

But it only works if you add Cheez-Whiz... ;-)

[Harrison Bergeron]

"My only quibble with your comments is that I don't see massive immigration as being able to be assimilated."

My first impulse was to harken back to the turn of the 20th century to the Irish and Italians and Eastern Europeans coming through Ellis Island. But it's now the turn of the 21st century, and immigrants from the ME, especially Islamics, have openly stated that they want to assimilate America, not be assimilated by her. The invasion analogy referring to "unassimilated immigration" was Pat Buchanan's I believe. Normally I'm loathe to quote him because I believe he's a self promoting crypto-fascist. But a government that invites 20 Mohammed Attas across its borders is no better than a government that would allow armed enemy invasion forces to camp out on the Mall in Washington "just to be friendly."

There's no practical difference between a country having an insufficient birthrate to replace its population and a country that can't field an army to defend itself. Both are doomed to be overrun and assimilated sooner or later.

[Harrison Bergeron]

"My only quibble with your comments is that I don't see massive immigration as being able to be assimilated."

My first impulse was to harken back to the turn of the 20th century to the Irish and Italians and Eastern Europeans coming through Ellis Island. But it's now the turn of the 21st century, and immigrants from the ME, especially Islamics, have openly stated that they want to assimilate America, not be assimilated by her. The invasion analogy referring to "unassimilated immigration" was Pat Buchanan's I believe. Normally I'm loathe to quote him because I believe he's a self promoting crypto-fascist. But a government that invites 20 Mohammed Attas across its borders is no better than a government that would allow armed enemy invasion forces to camp out on the Mall in Washington "just to be friendly."

There's no practical difference between a country having an insufficient birthrate to replace its population and a country that can't field an army to defend itself. Both are doomed to be overrun and assimilated sooner or later.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with much of what you said, but disagree on the Buchanan comments. Unfortunately nobody else seems willing to step up to the plate on an issue that screams for attention.

[Harrison Bergeron]

I correct myself - the "unassimilated immigration" quote was Newt Gingrich.

G'nite DO.

[dfwgator]

Why is anti-immigration by itself considered "right-wing." There are plenty of socialists that are anti-immigrant as well. Le Pen himself even said that in many areas he is a socialist.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Harrison. Take care.

[FITZ]

There's no practical difference between a country having an insufficient birthrate to replace its population and a country that can't field an army to defend itself. Both are doomed to be overrun and assimilated sooner or later.

A certain level of immigration from countries that have people who can be assimilated into our culture is good if the birthrate is too low. Overly rapid immigration isn't good and when the government interferes with assimilation it's also not good.

[FITZ]

We are incompatible and there is nothing wrong with saying so.

If they really believe in the Koran and believe Islamic law should apply to everyone, then they are definitely incompatible with the US and they cannot believe in Sharia law and the US Constitution at the same time. Muslims aren't supposed to live among the infidels or in infidel nations anyhow so they shouldn't mind living in their Islamic paradises instead.