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Mom Sues Over Ejection From School Assembly On Homosexuality
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 5/13/02 | Matt Pyeatt

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:10:36 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: banjo joe
Amazing how a group comprised of 2-3% of the population can make an entire nation bend over backwa... ahhh, never mind.

They have the power of propaganda from the Biased Left Wing Media! Dan Rather and his ilk have done more harm to decent Americans than any other terrorist organization.

41 posted on 05/13/2002 6:09:23 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: hoosierham
And there is NO reason that schools should be teaching kids how to be a bunch of faggots either. And even if that statement is a little strong, the school has absolutely NO business teaching that homosexuality is acceptable and, God forbid, even normal! Public schools have become nothing more than facilities of indoctrination in political correctness. Referring to the nation's colleges the other night, Michael Savage said that they have gone from institutions of higher learning to institutions of lower living. It seems this has become the case with all public "education."
42 posted on 05/13/2002 6:10:12 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Tijeras_Slim
There are those who want to destroy childhood and the relationship between parent and child by any means.

As two fairly average parents today, we have had to confront the following in the past few years: 1) a homosexual rapist as the previous pastor of our son's Catholic school church, 2) a refusal of our Board of Education to prohibit the introduction of homosexual sex into the curriculum (You know, anal sex and all that.), as well as widespread drug sales in our suburban schools, 3) absolute trash and filth during all hours on our TV, 4) out-of-the-universe extreme pornography being sent to our computers in E-mails, 5) pornography being downloaded (and left around) at our town library, 6) attacks on our Cub Scout pack and Boy Scout troop for not having homosexual scoutmasters, 7) alcohol parties being HOSTED by parents in our neighborhood for the benefit of their kids, 8) oral sex becoming commonplace in our MIDDLE SCHOOL, 9) the Catholic Church homosexual molestation issue in general, 10) a friend whose little girl was molested by a school teacher, 11) a boy who was brutally sodomized and murdered at the carnival in the next town. We feel besieged. We just want our kids to grow up with their innocence intact beyond the age of 7, to be comfortable with our religious convictions (we don't force them on anyone else), and for them to be safe. We are losing on all three counts, despite our sincere effots.

43 posted on 05/13/2002 6:11:07 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JoshGray
Nice attempt at a diversion. She is a taxpayer... nuf said. Because she is a taxpayer and a Mom she has the right to see and hear what her children are being taught.

Perhaps the whole point of this article is to point out that government schools have a policy of closed doors to taxpayers and to parents. READ THE ARTICLE. I am sad that our country has even produced someone like you who does not have a problem with this.

I do not think our founding fathers meant that the strong and brave have to fight for the rights of the sheep.

Perhaps they did, because without people like us to understand the political agenda of the socialists and to fight against it in arena like this, people like you would sell all of your rights to the highest bidder. Then again.. I don't uderstand why you deserve any.

44 posted on 05/13/2002 6:14:57 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: yendu bwam
We just want our kids to grow up with their innocence intact beyond the age of 7, to be comfortable with our religious convictions (we don't force them on anyone else), and for them to be safe. We are losing on all three counts, despite our sincere effots

You win by speaking out! All is not lost. Let people know how you feel.

45 posted on 05/13/2002 6:15:46 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: JoshGray
Why was she wanting to attend assemblies her daughter wasn't?

Maybe she wanted to see if the assembly was appriopriate enough for her daughter to attend? Or maybe she was concerned for other children? Why those homosexual activists can be given access to other children than their own but this woman cannot even observe it?

46 posted on 05/13/2002 6:19:37 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: yendu bwam
Then thirdly, his public school has started to talk about homosexuality like its normal and healthful and good. I WANT HIM TO LEARN ABOUT NORMAL SEXUAL RELATIONS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN FIRST!!! STOP, STOP, STOP FORCING US TO BRING UP HOMOSEXUALITY WITH OUR THIRTEEN YEAR OLD. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Homosexuals don't reproduce, they recruit. Your 13 year old will make some fine chickenhawk prize for an "activist". The Gaystapo and their ACLU buddies will insist that, 'resistance is futile'. The Left and their minions in the press, won't let up in the battle to recruit your son into the Cult Of The Anus. Its a matter of who gives in first in the battle for your son's rectum and life.

The simple message, "Don't play with your own or other's poop, its dangerous stuff." is somehow beyond the comprehension level of "activists" and advocates in the homosexual community. Copraphagy is rationalized as just a part of their "lifestyle" in the homosexual community.
47 posted on 05/13/2002 6:25:08 AM PDT by pyx
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To: JCG;kattracks;JoshGray;hoosierham;SauronOfMordor;MomwithHope;fporretto;Tralfaze McWatt...
"Gee, wonder what GLSEN could be teaching kids that they would want to conceal behind closed doors?"

Examples of GLSEN endorsed filth here


Homosexual Agenda Bump

48 posted on 05/13/2002 6:25:57 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: kattracks
Tolerance in schools a homosexual ploy, conservatives say
49 posted on 05/13/2002 6:40:51 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: AppyPappy
Other taxpayers should have the opportunity to attend any school function within reason.

I'd agree with that, though I suspect we'll disagree over acceptable "reasons". And, of course, this is also ignoring that her complaint is not about her rights as a taxpayer.

If student attendance was mandatory or if there was any consequences for the student NOT attending, I would agree that she, as a parent, had the reason and right to check out what was being presented.

It was not. She did not give permission for her daughter to attend, and her daughter did not attend. She therefore had no more reason or right to attend than any other person.

Schools should not have to accomodate every John or Jane Doe who walks in off the street with "I'm a taxpayer; show me what I've bought." It's not safe. Public schools can't even protect students from a kindergartener with a pointed-finger gun, and you want them to allow just anyone in on the basis of a tax return?

50 posted on 05/13/2002 6:44:17 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: kattracks
However, when, at the urging of a school board member, Loveless attempted to attend the Oct. 24 event, she was ejected by an armed security guard, the ACLJ stated....

"This case is about protecting the rights of parents to participate fully in the education of their children," he said. "Parents do not abandon their rights as parents once their children go to school..."

Wanna bet? Government schools don't want parents' input, they want parents' money and children.

51 posted on 05/13/2002 6:46:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: JoshGray
But a school-board member URGED her to attend. It was not a flight of fancy or a whim, as you want to portray it. She had a damn good reason for attending - she was not only INVITED, but URGED to attend by a school-board member, who surely has the right to allow parents to attend school functions, no?
52 posted on 05/13/2002 6:46:48 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: JoshGray
Any school assembly (in fact, anything a school does at all) should be open to full public scrutiny. Parents and concerned members of the community should be permitted to observe and record whatever they want, in whatever manner they want. If the school is doing something that does not bear public scrutiny, they should not be doing it.

I do not care a fig about the privacy of the students. I could not care less about the chilling effect of parental observation. If little Suzie cannot open up about her sexuality because her mother is sitting in the back of the room, I say "Bully for Mom!". If schools cannot find a way to do everything they want under these strictures, then that is probably a good thing because they want to do things they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

53 posted on 05/13/2002 6:50:00 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: No More Gore Anymore
She's a taxpayer. So. What.

Her complaint has nothing to do with her being a taxpayer. Nothing in the article mentions anything about being a taxpayer. The word "taxpayer" isn't even brought into this discussion until post #9.

Now, unless you can show that she was treated any differently than any other taxpayer who may or may not have tried to attend, it's pretty much a moot point.

54 posted on 05/13/2002 6:50:27 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: JoshGray
Schools by law have to allow parents to review curriculum. If its an assembly thats part of the curriclum, then the parents must be allowed to review it as well.

If you've ever put a child into daycare, you are warned endlessly to never put a child in a place where you can't drop in and check on the child at any time.

This rule appears not to apply to a public school. Why must a parent hand a child over to a public school and never be allowed to check them out while school is in session? Must we never question the educational establishment? Don't forget that the children are NOT property of the state,they are members of a family, and they are the family's responsibility first.
55 posted on 05/13/2002 6:53:20 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: kattracks
"Francis J. Manion, senior counsel for the ACLJ, said parents should be able to participate in activities at a public school to see if it is appropriate for their children.

"This case is about protecting the rights of parents to participate fully in the education of their children," he said. "Parents do not abandon their rights as parents once their children go to school. Parents have a right to know what a school is teaching their children, and should not be punished for exercising their parental responsibilities. That's exactly what happened in this case."


"Parents have the original, primary, and inalienable right to educate their children, and it is the place of schools to assist them. But rights not asserted are rights lost by default. Parental rights are not self-enforcing; they have to be exercised by vigilant and concerned parents."

- Arthur J. Delaney, “The Grotesque World of Today’s Sex Education,” New Oxford Review, p. 16, May 1996.


56 posted on 05/13/2002 6:53:39 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: JoshGray
So if they denied ALL taxpayers the ability to attend (equal treatment), then neither she nor any other taxpayer has any ability to complain. According to your logic, if they were all denied access, it is a 'moot point.'
57 posted on 05/13/2002 6:54:32 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: gridlock
Any school assembly (in fact, anything a school does at all) should be open to full public scrutiny.

You're right.

But they're not.

Very few, if any, assemblies or school functions are open to the public. T'is the season -- try attending your local Prom or any other function at your local school. Just walk in off the street...

And remember to yell "But I'm a taxpayer..." as they're escorting you out.

58 posted on 05/13/2002 6:54:32 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: EdReform
A teacher or administrator who tries to hide ANYTHING a school is teaching from a parent, is a criminal in my book.
59 posted on 05/13/2002 6:54:37 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: JoshGray
Schools should not be in the habit of hiding their teaching. This was clearly the case. There is NO reason for schools to allow ANY subject matter than cannot be recorded and played in public.
60 posted on 05/13/2002 6:57:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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