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Debate on gays in priesthood roils diocese (Debate? "Gay" is a disqualifying frame of mind)
Centre Daily Times (State College PA) ^ | May. 12, 2002 | Mike Joseph

Posted on 05/12/2002 12:41:51 PM PDT by Notwithstanding







Posted on Sun, May. 12, 2002


Debate on gays in priesthood roils diocese



By Mike Joseph

mjoseph@centredaily.com

With the Roman Catholic Church engulfed in a widespread sexual abuse scandal, conservative critics of the local bishop have stepped up their campaign to pressure him to stop using a priesthood candidate evaluator whose views on homosexuality they consider too liberal.

The campaign has included attacks on Web sites and an anonymous newspaper advertisement suggesting churchgoers consider withholding money until, among other things, the bishop "removes" the targeted evaluator, State College psychologist David J. Brown.

Although Altoona-Johnstown Diocese Bishop Joseph Adamec said collections and other charitable donations have not declined, some Catholic faithful who haven't before taken sides say they have considered using money to leverage a clarification and elaboration of diocesan policy from the bishop.

"We want the priests and the bishop to follow the teachings of the church. It's bizarre to have to say that, but that's what we want," said Mary Risley, 40, a parent and a parishioner at Our Lady of Victory Church in State College.

Risley said she has herself considered, but rejected, the idea of withholding church contributions because the money pays for important work that helps people. But during an informal social gathering last week, she recalled in an interview, the idea provoked an earnest, if relaxed, discussion among about 16 women, eight of whom are Catholics.

"Yes, we have truly thought about it because we don't think we're getting the whole story," Risley said. "I would like to get more clarification, but I would feel in my heart I was letting someone down if I did not support the work of the diocese. ... The bishop needs to address this issue."

Adamec said at a news conference last week that contributions have not diminished since the clergy sexual abuse scandal broke open two months ago. But last month -- in a letter that priests read to parishioners -- the bishop seemed to be mindful at least of the possibility.

"Know that your gifts were not used and will not be used to pay for legal defense or settlement of any claim in matters of litigation," the bishop wrote.

Taking stock of vows

The issue stirring some elements of the diocese is related to one that has made Catholics across America take stock of their faith and ask whether diocesan policies contribute to a secretive culture of homosexuality in the priesthood and the sexual abuse of young boys, allegations of which have saturated the press for the last two months.

More specifically, Catholics are debating whether being gay should be sufficient cause to exclude a man from the priesthood or whether a man's ability to honor vows of celibacy --regardless of his sexuality --should be decisive.

The debate ranges from anguished discussions about whether institutionalized celibacy vows attract psychosexually immature men to the priesthood to reminders that Mychal Judge -- the 68-year-old Catholic priest and fire chaplain who perished while helping others during the Sept. 11 rescue effort at the World Trade Center -- was gay.

While the policy of the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese and most other dioceses in America makes the prospect of celibacy the deciding factor, some dioceses, including the Philadelphia Archdiocese, screen out priesthood candidates with gay tendencies. The issue is expected to be hotly debated when American bishops meet in Dallas in June to try to adopt national protocols to prevent sexual abuse among clergy.

The nationwide scandal has led critics of Adamec and Brown in the local diocese to turn up the volume of their attacks, which include accusations that diocesan policy is heretical and which renew a debate that flared three years ago when the State College Area School District was considering a policy to prohibit harassment on the basis of sexual orientation.

One of the most vocal critics then, and now, has been Gary L. Morella, 55, a Penn State research assistant, father of three and grandfather of three, former altar boy and parochial school graduate. Morella, who fondly recalls the Latin Mass, has nearly completed a graduate degree in medieval Catholic philosophy for which he has written about the tension between faith and reason in the differences between St. Bonaventure and St. Thomas Aquinas.

Morella, who views homosexuality as a development disorder that can be changed, said in an interview last week that his work to expose heresy in the church had its genesis about eight years ago as he watched a TV program featuring the historian John Dominic Crossan, author of the "The Historical Jesus" and "The Birth of Christianity."

"He said Jesus Christ died a beggar's death on the cross and his body was eaten by ravenous dogs -- he denied the Resurrection," Morella said. "I looked at this and I was watching this and I thought to myself, well, this man is insane. And then I saw that he was on the faculty of DePaul University, and that just lit up everything. I realized that there are major problems here, and I've been like this ever since."

Last month, a spokesman for Pope John Paul II, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, voiced his opinion that people with homosexual inclinations should not be ordained. Morella asserts that instances of the will of the Vatican are being defied by many dioceses in the United States, including the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese.

"I think that what's called for is a papal legate," Morella said. "I think that we need an enforcer to go to the dioceses in this country. I think the situation has gotten so out of control that we need nothing less than firsthand intervention from Rome itself to straighten this out."

Vocal psychologist foes

Morella said he had nothing to do with the a Centre Daily Times advertisement suggesting church contributions be withheld, though he said he understands the "frustration" that led to it.

The two-column ad in Wednesday's CDT noted that the bishop has just launched his annual appeal for donations and "suggested ... withholding our money" until he says how much "he has paid out to silence" sexual abuse victims, until he gives names of "known abusers" to the authorities and "until he removes the controversial psychologist."

Attempts by a reporter to identify who placed the ad were inconclusive. The CDT's advertising department refused to disclose the source, citing a policy of confidentiality. But another critic of the diocese administration, Harris Township resident Brian Kaleita, said in an interview that he knew who placed the ad, though he declined to answer a follow-up question asking whether he himself had done so.

In the interview, Kaleita described himself as a conservative leader in the community and said it is his view that homosexuals are entitled to every right that anyone else is but not to special treatment, the position of some opponents of the school district's anti-harassment policy proposal three years ago.

Kaleita said that "every right" does not include admission to seminaries because Vatican law is more restrictive, barring gay men from the clergy. He said Adamec is not following that law.

"The problem with our bishop is that he sees things the way Dr. Brown does instead of the way the pope does," Kaleita said. "We have a bishop who chooses to ignore the clear meaning of the teachings directly from Rome."

By contrast, many devout Catholics see the sexual abuse crisis in the church today as stemming not from one's sexual orientation but from sexual immaturity fostered by institutional church policy.

State College resident Herman Knoble, 59, is a Penn State research associate and a committed Catholic who attends Good Shepherd Catholic Church. Like Morella, he was an altar boy and a parochial school graduate. But unlike Morella, he views homosexuality as an innate trait for which someone cannot be blamed.

Knoble asserts that promiscuity is wrong and faults the Vatican for fostering an atmosphere of immature sexual development and exerting unnatural and inordinate control over "pelvic issues" that leads to sexual experimentation in immature and sometimes abusive ways.

"The Catholic Church needs to take a strong look at itself in how it tries to use orthodoxy to control people -- that is the crux of the issue," Knoble said. "Anything that has to do with sexuality, they want to control, not just people in the pews but everybody."

Brown, 58, the State College psychologist who does psychological evaluations for the diocese, said he had no doubt that he was the target of the anonymous ad. He said the ad appeared to signal an escalation of efforts by some conservative Catholics to pressure Adamec to discontinue contract work with him.

The Altoona-Johnstown Diocese includes 104 parish priests and about 112,000 parishioners. As the head of the diocese, Adamec uses Brown to provide about half of the psychological evaluations of priesthood applicants.

Brown said in an interview that he has conducted about 200 psychological evaluations of seminary candidates in the last 25 years, and that virtually none of them admits to gay orientation during the interviews. Brown said his report to the diocese about a candidate's sexual orientation includes what the candidate says, what the tests show and what he himself thinks.

In response to some of the accusations made against him, Brown said he has never given an unfavorable recommendation on a priesthood candidate because the candidate is heterosexual, and has never endorsed someone because he is gay or liberal.

He said perhaps one out of every four of the 200 seminary candidates he has screened has become a priest, and he said none of those priests has ever been accused or otherwise been alleged to have been sexually abusive to anyone.

"I'm proud of my record," Brown said.

His critics have also accused him of telling some candidates they were "too rigid," as Morella phrased it, referring to the infallibility of church doctrine on faith and morality.

Brown said that such a commentary on someone's personality would never come up in the psychological evaluation interview itself but could come up weeks later if a candidate sought feedback on the evaluation, part of which is a standard test designed to measure rigidity and other characteristics.

"Rigidity is a personality dimension that can apply to all ideological perspectives," Brown said.

Brown faulted his own critics for their narrow focus on right and wrong.

"They think there's only one right way to be and anything else is sinful," he said. "It really is just a discrimination against homosexuality."

Risley, the parent who has considered, but rejected, the idea of withholding contributions, is a parochial school graduate, she said the clergy sexual abuse scandal has not shaken her faith in the church because her faith does not rely on priests.

She said "there seems to be an issue with Dr. Brown" and that the bishop should address it. She said she has not yet come to a conclusion about whether men with gay tendencies should be barred from seminaries.

But she said that something needs to be done to prevent the abuse of children at the hands of the clergy and that, at some point, that could be withholding contributions, an action that might force church leaders to remember the origins of Christianity.

"If this is what it takes, if it takes our priest and our bishops standing on the corner begging for money to help the poor that's how it all started," she said.

Mike Joseph can be reached at 235-3910.




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KEYWORDS: gay; homsexual; scandal
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1 posted on 05/12/2002 12:41:51 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
NB: If one claims the label "gay" then he is claiming that the disordered desire to engage in homosexual acts is fun and a positive aspect of his life. Someone with that attitude should NOT be a shepherding a Christian flock, whereas one who HATES and resists the temptation to act out homsexuality could make a fine priest.

Its like an alcoholic claiming that having the uncontrollable desire to drink is a fun and enriching aspect of his life. Someone with this attitude should not be leading a flock either, whereas one who hates this addiction and fights it could make a fine priest.

2 posted on 05/12/2002 12:53:36 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
More specifically, Catholics are debating whether being gay should be sufficient cause to exclude a man from the priesthood or whether a man's ability to honor vows of celibacy --regardless of his sexuality --should be decisive

The first thing every Catholic should do is drop the word "gay" from their vocabularies when referring to homosexuals

3 posted on 05/12/2002 12:53:56 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: JimVT
Ditto - see my post 2 above.
4 posted on 05/12/2002 12:55:23 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
I will not allow priests who are potential homosexual molesters to EVER be alone with my teenage sons. I will not allow homosexually active priests to EVER be around my teenage sons. I will not allow homosexual priests who are not active to be around my teenage sons, because I don't trust them to teach true Catholic and Christian sexual morality to my sons. Since I do not know who is who, I will NEVER, EVER allow a Catholic priest to be alone or in close quarters with my teenage sons. The Catholic Church must decide - if they want a predominantly homosexual male clergy, my family and my sons will distance ourselves from this church.
5 posted on 05/12/2002 12:56:55 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Notwithstanding
State College resident Herman Knoble, 59, is a Penn State research associate and a committed Catholic . . . "The Catholic Church needs to take a strong look at itself in how it tries to use orthodoxy to control people -- that is the crux of the issue," Knoble said. "Anything that has to do with sexuality, they want to control, not just people in the pews but everybody."

Yeah, like all that nasty anti-choice stuff they used to push . . . back in the days before the NYTimes nailed them all as pedophiles!

6 posted on 05/12/2002 1:03:29 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Notwithstanding
I don't think being gay is disqualfying for the priesthood. Engaging in homosexual acts is however. Priests tale vows of chastity. Priests deny themselves lust whether it's homosexual or heterosexual lust. To say one is acceptable and the other isn't doesn't seem to be right. Both types of lust are not to be acted upon. And neither of them are compatible with the priesthood.
7 posted on 05/12/2002 1:15:12 PM PDT by tbeatty
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To: yendu bwam
How can you magically 'know' who is homosexual and who is not? There are plenty of homosexuals out there who are not priests. In light of the fact that they do not wear this tattooed on their foreheads, how will you 'know' and keep your sons away from them?
8 posted on 05/12/2002 1:18:13 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: tbeatty
I don't think being gay is disqualfying for the priesthood.

There is no formal test that determines whether one is homosexual or heterosexual (although there are some crude ways one could use to make a judgment). Thus, seminary authorities would have to guess, or ask the question about orientation and assume that the applicant isn't lying.

9 posted on 05/12/2002 1:20:58 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: goldenstategirl
How can you magically 'know' who is homosexual and who is not? There are plenty of homosexuals out there who are not priests. In light of the fact that they do not wear this tattooed on their foreheads, how will you 'know' and keep your sons away from them?

That's a fair question, and of course, you're right. You can't know. When my sons joined Boy Scouts, I went on many, many camping trips with my sons until I knew reasonably well all the fathers and scoutleaders who lead those trips. Though one can never be sure about anything, there was never any inappropriate activity or sexual innuendo, nor have there ever been any complaints by kids or parents in my sons' troop. Still, I am vigilant, because, unfortunately, a troop of teenage boys does attract homosexual molesters. I know of course that not all homosexual men are molesters. But many homosexual men have strong sexual attractions to teenage boys. The point here is not that you can make anything totally safe, but that if a man declares his preference for sexual activity with men, it is entirely inappropriate for him to be in close quarters with your teenage (i.e., sexually mature) sons.

10 posted on 05/12/2002 1:28:12 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: goldenstategirl
How can you magically 'know' who is homosexual and who is not? There are plenty of homosexuals out there who are not priests. In light of the fact that they do not wear this tattooed on their foreheads, how will you 'know' and keep your sons away from them?

The other thing I should have mentioned is that we don't try to keep our sons away from all homosexuals. I have a very good friend who is homosexual, and he is a friend of the family. That is far, far different, though, from having your sons being in close and intimate quarters on a faraway camping trip with a homosexual man - particularly a man in a position of authority over my kids. Such a situation is an invitation for abuse - just like what's been happening in the Catholic Church.

11 posted on 05/12/2002 1:33:23 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Goldhammer
< sarcasm > Because if he did not he might get sued for failing to get the counsel of experts - woops thats what some of our bishops did and now folks ar emad because they followed the advice of these experts......

Since we hate bishops anyway, we might as well just pile on - either way they are in deep doo-doo!!!!! < /sarcasm >

13 posted on 05/12/2002 1:49:13 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: tbeatty
You missed it: "gay" is a very sad word, loaded with sad meaning.

"gay" = "proud, glad, and enriched to have same-sex attractions"

"gay" does NOT equal "homosexual"

Anyone glad to have such a disorder is not fit to be a priest.

14 posted on 05/12/2002 1:54:24 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Goldhammer
Why does the bishop allow secular "experts" to approve who does or does not become a Catholic priest?

Most dioceses have recently appointed outside psychological experts and laymen to vocation boards who interview candidates.

The clerical "experts," after all, haven't done a very good job, have they?

16 posted on 05/12/2002 2:02:09 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: tbeatty
WRONG! Pope Leo XIII once wrote that homosexuality is "a sin so vile that even the angels of hell are repulsed by it". The Church has ALWAYS condemned it and even the new testament says that God leaves homosexuals "to the death they deserve" and refuses to help them. Look, I am no homophobe. I feel sorry for the poor, sickly, disordered wierdos. But what in hell kind of foolish thinking does it take to make one ordain a SODOMITE to the priesthood? For cripes sake! The present scandal is one of homosexuality in the priesthood, not pedophelia. Remember that pedophilia is sex with preteens. But the Sodomite priests have buggered boys in their late teens to the tune of more than 95% of all the cases. Do I have to tell you that men who have sex with young men are sodomites? Is it THAT difficult for you?
17 posted on 05/12/2002 2:05:52 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Thorondir
The Church has ALWAYS condemned it and even the new testament says that God leaves homosexuals "to the death they deserve" and refuses to help them.

The Church does not condemn the homosexual; homosexual ACTS are disordered and are sinful.

I daresay God does help homosexuals, if they ask.

18 posted on 05/12/2002 2:09:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
IF they ask. But how will that happen if we keep telling them that their sexual disorientation is just an alternate healthy lifestyle? Read the passage in Romans. It is very harsh and says just what I told you it does. Read it.
19 posted on 05/12/2002 2:12:23 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
FURTHERMORE: Don't confuse the words "it" and "them", my friend. They have different meanings.
20 posted on 05/12/2002 2:13:53 PM PDT by Thorondir
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