Posted on 05/08/2002 2:29:57 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
BWAHAHA!
Particularly if you expand "lampshades" a little to tanning human hides there's a lot more than a "grain" of truth to it.
Well, yeah, but the British made a big boo-boo in handing over the Arabian peninsula to the Saud gangsta krew instead of to the Hashemite who had the more legit claim to it, so to pacify the Hashemite they gave them 80% of what was supposed to be the "Jewish National Home."
Yes and no - I believe you have got it reversed.
In 1921 (after defeating the Turks in WW1 and creating a mandate over the Turkish province of Palestine) the British cut off 78%, the part of Palestine east of the Jordan river, renamed it Jordan and installed a Saudi Arabian Hashemite royal as king. The people in Jordan were the same people as those that remained on the other side of the river.
So immediately these people were called Jordanians but they are the same people who today (and only since 1964) call themselves Palestinians. So the Palestinians received their state in 1921 and now they want a second state carved out of Israel. Until 1948 (pre Israel) the only people who called themselves Palestinians were the Jews living in the British Mandate of Palestine - the Arabs there called themselves Arabs because that's what they were.
I'll just throw in another interesting piece of history - as soon as the Hashemites took over "Jordan" about half the population left and settled on the West Bank. That's from the Mandate Reports to the League of Right so if someone wants to challenge me I'll go to the trouble of posting an extract from the report.
One can speak of "Palestina" as a named portion of the Roman province of "Syria," and not find a mention of the "nation" of Israel.
Similarly, this area known today as the nation-state of "Israel" the Greeks were content to consider as a part of greater Egypt or Syria.
The Persians under Xerxes let the Hebrew tribes of Judah and Benjamin formerly carried captive by Babylon return to the area which was once Jerusalem and under the leadership of Nehemiah rebuilt the "city".
Babylonians (who snagged the Kingdom of Judah) and Assyrians (who snagged and assimilated the other 10 "northern" tribes of Israel) left the region to go to seed and remained desolate to occupiers as the "Israelites" were made captives and held in "slavery," pondering how they lost it all (read Jeremiah).
Disobey God = lose your nation.
David fought against "Philistines"=== read: Palestinians, and did not utterly defeat them. The Hebrews were instructed to anhiliate the Canaanintes, but disobeyed and failed to do so.
Today's resident Jews in today's UN-created US-subsidized nation-state of Israel share the land with today's descendants of Philistines, Canaanites, Ishmaelites, Edomites (descended from Esau): people the UN threw off of land that they had lived in for thousands of years along side other resident Jews since the original diaspora.
In times prior to 1948, the British Mandate was referred to as "Palestine" not as "Israel." True it was a region and not a government of its own, but was just another area of British Administration. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was a British-Zioist expression of intent to provide a homeland for Jews in Palestine, not necessarily a new nation state called "Israel," created at the expense of the then-current inhabitants
Palestinians and Jews lost "entitlements" to specific land masses a long time ago. They've got to learn to make peace and share it, and if they can't, better administrators ought to be sought from more responsible parts of the world to do so.
Christians get sucked into a supposed need to support today's Israel under the flawed notion that Israel which exists today is the same Israel into which God entered covenants of ancient times.
Disobey God = lose your nation. Obey God and restore your nation (2Chron 7:14). Can you cite an event of manifest heavenly obedience and a spiritual humbling and pennance that the current UN established secularized state of Israel has accomplished a la 2ndChron 7:14?
Didn't think you could. The birthright/covenants/national devine restoration concept does not apply to what passes today for the secularized UN-mandated nation state of Israel, nor as a Christian am I duty bound to promote their position and claims to their feigned legitimacy blindly.
The only point I was trying to make is that God is not through with his chosen people. I don't know his plans and no one else knows his plans -- but in the end, His will is going to prevale. That is what makes the present day events so interesting.
Thanks again for the history of the region.
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