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THE SHOCKING GAME
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Posted on 05/04/2002 8:44:54 AM PDT by one2many

University of Virginia Admissions Predictor

RACE AND UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA ADMISSIONS:
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT YOU'LL GET IN?

By answering the questions below, you can learn what your chances were of being admitted to the University of Virginia in 1999. Your chances will depend on your skin color and your ethnic group, in addition to your SAT scores, your class rank, your Virginia residency, and whether either of your parents attended the University.

The questions focus on several factors that appear to have been important to the University of Virginia in admitting freshmen in 1999. This program is based on and uses all variables available in the Lerner and Nagai analysis (see above in "What's New") of 1999 admissions data provided by the University of Virginia in response to a request for public records filed by the Center for Equal Opportunity. Additional information--such as athletic status, Virginia county of residence, high school reputation, the number of Advanced Placement courses taken, and extracurricular activities--was not made available to Lerner and Nagai and might also affect an individual's probability of admission.

Please enter the following information to discover your probability of admission into UVA's 1999 freshman class:

Input Relevant Data

Math SAT (200-800)

Verbal SAT (200-800)

Class Percentile(100=top in class, 0=bottom)

Legacy (1=parent UVA graduate, 0=otherwise)

Resident (1= live in VA, 0=otherwise)

Sex (0= male, 1= female)

 

The probability of your having been admitted into the 1999 freshman class at the University of Virginia is like a batting average. For example, a probability of 1.000 is guaranteed admission. A probability of .500 is an even chance of admission. A probability of .000 is no chance of admission.

If you believe you were denied admission to the University of Virginia because of your race or ethnic background, you may wish to discuss the matter with a lawyer. The Center for Equal Opportunity believes that discrimination based on race or ethnicity in college admissions is against the law.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: action; affirmative; airlinesafety; brainsurgery; discrimination; equalaccess; quotas; reverse
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To: philomath
let the people see and make their own decisions rather than be led by social engineers of any stripe.

Agreed.

21 posted on 05/04/2002 10:25:44 AM PDT by one2many
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To: ml/nj
Whatever. It would seem that your anecdotal evidence differs from mine. What I see quantified by ceousa certainly jibes with my own experiences.
22 posted on 05/04/2002 10:27:37 AM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
Affirmative Action plays a vital role: it ensures that every black and brown job holder in the U.S. is seen universally by the rest of the world as unqualified.

Way to go, Liberals.

23 posted on 05/04/2002 10:28:32 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Very true.
24 posted on 05/04/2002 10:32:35 AM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
If you want to see what's really interesting...watch your chances go up dramatically if you're out-of-state applicant!Then compare black to any other group...
25 posted on 05/04/2002 10:51:29 AM PDT by Emily RN
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I believe private means private, i.e. nunya bidness. To further illustrate, recall the Bob Jones University flap concerning the no inter-racial dating policy and Bush speaking there during the 2000 campaign. BJU students are not eligible for federal student loans just to keep the feds away from school policy. Hillsdale College in Michigan follows a similar policy, IIRC. This also applies to federal grants, research, etc.

To the best of my knowledge, UVa does not separate itself from federal funds in the manner described above. So, in a manner of speaking, they are a "state" school, subject to interference in what should be private, internal decisions like the old diner sign..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Basically, my position on this tends toward the libertarian (note the small "l") but this whole thing is cluttered with the entanglements I have described. If the school doesn't want me as a white male with stellar scores and class standing, I expect the marketplace holds schools that are open to what I could bring to the campus.

26 posted on 05/04/2002 11:08:18 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: Emily RN
You mean from the UVA game at the URL I directed you to?

Yeah I played around with a number of different scenarios.

Quite enlightening!

27 posted on 05/04/2002 11:28:13 AM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
Members of the group which is paying most of the taxes to fund the school has, of course, the least chance of getting in.

We need to form a "United Sucker-Taxpayer College Scholarship Fund".

28 posted on 05/04/2002 11:37:24 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: ml/nj
Just to play with the parameters to see how badly one could perform and still have about a 52% chance of admittance, I discovered that a black male, resident of Virginia, father attended UVA, with a class percentile of 100, and a 200 Math and 200 Verbal SAT would have a 52.67% chance of admittance. This would mean that you were a moron who was at the top of his High school graduating class, which must have been entirely composed of idiots.

If you were white with the same qualifications your chance of admittance would be a more realistic 0.84% (yes that's less than one percent). As a note, you get 200 points on your SAT math or verbal by signing your name, attempting to answer ONE question (right or wrong) and turning in the test at that point.

Now lets see how a white applicant would have to perform to get around the same 52% chance as the above demoed black student. The white male is an out-of-state applicant whose parent(s) did not attend UVA. He has a perfect SAT score of 1600 (800 each on Math/Verbal) and a class percentile ranking of 89, which means while fairly smart, he went to school with many other geniuses. So how does he fare in addmittance. He would have a 51.99% chance of admittance, slightly behind the hypothetical black applicant described in the first paragraph.

Ahh, the power of cheese...

29 posted on 05/04/2002 11:50:33 AM PDT by dvwjr
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To: T-Bird45
I'm pretty inclined to agree with you. If a school or a company wants to run me off for being a white guy, fine. I'll go be an asset to somebody else's organization. It's happened twice before. The last time it happened, I got the last laugh. The guy who replaced me made a $200,000 mistake.

It's ironic that the people who are benefitting from this see it as perfectly ethical. There's no denying that if this school's policies favored white students instead, Jesse Jackson and other "black leaders" would be screaming bloody murder and the school's standing as a public or private school would not matter to them in the slightest. They would be suing four ways to Sunday, probably on the basis of "civil rights".

30 posted on 05/04/2002 12:02:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: dvwjr
Now lets see how a white applicant would have to perform to get around the same 52% chance

I'm not disputing that UVa discriminates against Whites. It probably does. It also discriminates against people who aren't good basketball players. This helps make a university community. The question is to what extent they will take some applicants so they can say, for example, that they have student from all 50 states. If they try to take as many from North Dakota as from New York, that's dumb. If they take five from North Dakota ahead of five more qualified New Yorkers that's not so bad.

My own (limited) experience in classes I have attended (obviously I choose these classes, and I don't go to basketweaving) where there has been interaction, the Blacks haven't seemed any less intellectual than the Whites.

ML/NJ (occasional racist)

31 posted on 05/04/2002 12:08:31 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney; stainlessbanner; 4ConservativeJustices; Dawgsquat; ConfederateMissouri...
FYI
32 posted on 05/04/2002 12:17:33 PM PDT by one2many
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To: LarryLied
I believe that club has been started and is well along now!
33 posted on 05/04/2002 12:18:42 PM PDT by one2many
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To: ned
How about commenting on the "freedom" to be treated equally that whites have under this system. And the "freedom that blacks have to be seen as truly professional. And please don't make my dog fart.
34 posted on 05/04/2002 3:22:28 PM PDT by one2many
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To: one2many
I did it and based on my scores, if I lived in the state of VA, a snowball would have a better chance. I didn't realize they'd calculate numbers that low
35 posted on 05/04/2002 6:53:24 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Amazing isn't it?
36 posted on 05/04/2002 6:58:28 PM PDT by one2many
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To: superdestroyer; Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I stand humbly corrected with egg on my face for not properly confirming that. Apologies also to Excuse_My_Bellicosity.
38 posted on 05/05/2002 8:03:02 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: superdestroyer
So how do they get away with it?
39 posted on 05/05/2002 12:20:57 PM PDT by one2many
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