Chen Liangyu Mayor of Shanghai

English News, China Central Television ^ | February 27, 2002 | English News, China Central Television

[Hopalong]

Chen Liangyu Elected Shanghai Mayor

WED, FEB 27, 2002

    

Chen Liangyu, acting mayor of Shanghai, was elected Tuesday mayor of this east China metropolis at the fifth session of the 11th Shanghai Municipal People's Congress.

Chen, 56, is a native of Ningbo, east China's Zhejing Province. He studied in the Chinese People's Liberation Army's Logistic Engineering Institute from 1963 to 1968. He also took positions in factories and government bodies.

The newly elected mayor acted as deputy secretary of Shanghai Municipal Committee of the Communist Party of China and vice mayor of Shanghai before he was appointed acting mayor of Shanghai on December 2001.

Chen studied at Birmingham University in the Great Britain from January to September 1992.

[Hopalong]

Merely by the way, #20, as it seems to me, is what's ultimately behind the recent ultmatum about Australian submarines.

"Commonwealth," my ears.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[Hopalong]

Oops—"ultimatum."

Regards to all. S&W R.I.P.

[Sawdring]

I disagree with that Hop. That piece on the Diesel Sub maker in Australia made it sound like China was threatening Australia. As if her interests were going to be harmed if it went to the US. If it was purely economic they would increase their bid and wouldn't threaten. In my opinion (humble) the big reason is the Bush administration wants to sell submarines to Taiwan, this sale will help the US to do that and China doesn't want it to happen.

[Hopalong]

"I disagree with that Hop. That piece on the Diesel Sub maker in Australia made it sound like China was threatening Australia. As if her interests were going to be harmed if it went to the US. If it was purely economic they would increase their bid and wouldn't threaten. In my opinion (humble) the big reason is the Bush administration wants to sell submarines to Taiwan, this sale will help the US to do that and China doesn't want it to happen."

We don't disagree—of course that's the real reason. The nature of the threat, and the means used to make it convincing, is what I was talking about.

The Brits and Aussies too are up to their ears in mainland investment.

Then there's Prince Murdoch Jr., who declared that "China" needs an authoritarian regime, hehe. Yep, might as well be the Commies, eh?

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[Hopalong]

On the surface, some of the ChiCom threats seem almost comic, as with a paranoid schizophrenic with a pistol to his head shouting, "Do what I say or we'll shoot!"

The problem lies with all the seemingly influential folks who depend upon the maniac as their one and only overseas snakeheads.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[Hopalong]

I've often wondered whether some of the Italians—Broccoli, Ponti—involved in producing the James Bond movies were having their own little inside joke in the way 007 dressed.

The tuxes were okay, but some of the suits.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[maui_hawaii]

The problem lies with all the seemingly influential folks who depend upon the maniac as their one and only overseas snakeheads.

Comical at best...

Lets just assume that China decides to get really ticked and 'pull the trigger'...

What are they really gonna do? Bar Aussie factories from setting up shop in China? What? Refuse to export to Australia?

With characters like Rumsfeld at the helm they don't dare start shooting. I like it that way...

At best they can get ticked off... but little else...

[maui_hawaii]

China's power is not from within China, its from without...

[maui_hawaii]

007???!!!

I was thinking Mr. Bean...

[maui_hawaii]

Many of the corporations are doing business on the mainland for one reason, and one reason alone—it is the only and easiest way they can think of to make larger profit margins, almost exclusively by taking advantage of the cheap labor in production for export.

The prospect of a huge mainland domestic market for consumer goods is mainly an illusion. Some of the corporations doing business there know it. Others perhaps do not—yet. In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with profit. Contra Galbraith, that is the whole point of being in business.

But as you say, they have a very manipulative, political, and subversive silent partner, the CCP, which is desperately interested in much more than current bottom lines—indeed, in some important ways and over the long term their main interest is not bottom lines at all.

This is, however, only part a small part of the problem in my opinion The real threats are the irresistibly appetizing, but mostly false, financial and banking carrots, which are at the heart of the pyramid scheme and which translate into direct and indirect foreign political and military leverage for the CCP.

Hop, You just educated many people on the whole crux of the entire situation...mega bump. Excellent.

[Hopalong]

Nah—but's it's not an empty threat to select interests, say, some of the banks and financial institutions and various corporations, Aussie, Pommie and "mother country" Brit.

'Course I'm no expert on Australia. Far from it—I'm still trying to figure out why they gave up most of their firearms in the outback.

But, then again, I am still wondering when the Canadians are going to divorce themselves from the Hudson Bay Company mentality too, hehe.

Shell games and Ponzi schemes aside, I am quite obviously a little behind the times.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[Hopalong]

"007???!!! I was thinking Mr. Bean..."

LOL. You can't blame everything on the Brits, hoho.

Now is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho?

One upon a time you could easily learn the best buys along that line from the fishermen of Gloucester, New Bedford and Fall River, or the Islands, as well as of Maine.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[Hopalong]

Nowadays it's hard to find a thick, still decently oiled wool turtleneck, except maybe from Ireland.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.

[maui_hawaii]

Re: #30...

The 'bottom line' for the CCP... survival

As far as the turtle necks go, yeah, back in the old days when I was a boy (1980s) you could get a good one for $20 bucks or so... or so I've heard... hee hee...

[Hopalong]

"The 'bottom line' for the CCP... survival..."

Right on the nose, maui_hawaii.

Ultimately, at everyone else's expense.

Best regards. SW R.I.P.

[eureka!]

"indeed, in some important ways and over the long term [the CCP's] main interest is not bottom lines at all."

Emphasis on the long term and a very patient people. Development projects: acquisition of navy/shipping lanes and ICBM/missile technology. These do not speak to economic goals.

BTW, very interesting thread and discussions.

[Hopalong]

Hopalong:"The prospect of a huge mainland domestic market for consumer goods is mainly an illusion."

Magister:"If this is true, why do people spend so much time and energy arguing China represents a threat? For a country that ultimately presents no economic (and thus military) threat, people sure have got their panties in a bunch about China...."

Equitum aut peditum?

Your fallacies are showing, merely by the way.

Best regards. S&W R.I.P.