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SKIPPING COMMERCIALS IS STEALING ACCORDING TO TURNER CEO
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Posted on 05/02/2002 6:45:29 AM PDT by Grig

It was inevitable. The broadcast industry is now describing people who skip over commercials as thieves! And with new technology like HDTV and insane laws such as the DMCA, they may very well make it stick in the future.

Jamie Kellner is the chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting, which encompasses everything from CNN to TNT and is a part of AOL Time Warner. On Monday, an interview with Kellner appeared in CableWorld.

In response to a question on why personal video recorders (PVR's) were bad for the industry, Kellner responded: "Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming."

While most programming on American TV is so insultingly bad that nobody would ever need to steal it in the first place, there is great danger in permitting this line of reasoning to become accepted. If this is seen as a "problem," expect legislation forbidding any device that allows consumers to skip the sacred commercial. Kellner, however, is not completely unreasonable. When asked if he considers people who go to the bathroom during a commercial to be thieves, he responded: "I guess there's a certain amount of tolerance for going to the bathroom. But if you formalize it and you create a device that skips certain second increments, you've got that only for one reason, unless you go to the bathroom for 30 seconds. They've done that just to make it easy for someone to skip a commercial." Heaven forbid.

The text of the entire interview can be found at http://www.inside.com/product/product.asp?entity=CableWorld&pf_ID=7A2ACA71-FAAD-41FC-A100-0B8A11C30373.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aoltimewarner; cnn; dmca; turner; tv
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To: cardinal4
Best feminine hygene commercial ever was the one Michael Jordon did on SNL.
41 posted on 05/02/2002 7:40:34 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Grig
THE TV AND RADIO INDUSTRY ARE IN A MONOPOLY COMMERCIAL CONSIPRISY.

Want to prove it, simply change the channel or radio station during a commercial. You will find that they have timed things so that you will see or hear anthor commerical. It's telling....

42 posted on 05/02/2002 7:40:58 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: general_re
I only did that once, dammit, and that was a long time ago, so lay off, alright?

"Over Casa Grande?"

"I'll never get over Casa Grande..."

43 posted on 05/02/2002 7:41:27 AM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: Grig
Reads like an Onion article. If true, I'm grateful my wife... (I mean I, REALLY), threw the TV away 4 years ago.
44 posted on 05/02/2002 7:43:33 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Grig
Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming."

Bull-f***ing-s***. My TV didn't come with an EULA. I didn't sign any sort of contract with my cable tv company other than basic service and payment expectations. Just as I didn't sign a contract when I picked up the newspaper this morning, and promise to read all the ads.

What next? Will I HAVE to buy a product that is advertised on television? I swear, NOTHING will make me give up TV FASTER than that. It's just this sort of ultra-greedy, crying for Government-protectionist sort of attitude that makes me sick. This isn't Capitalism, this is a command economy!! Socialism!

This is sick, sick, sick.
45 posted on 05/02/2002 7:44:10 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Grig
I skipped commercials nearly a quarter-centruy ago when I threw out my TV.
46 posted on 05/02/2002 7:44:26 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Grig
Hey CNN we already pay for cable!- whaddaya want, us to sit through commercials too? Sheesh.
47 posted on 05/02/2002 7:45:20 AM PDT by mafree
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To: Grig
Tivo is your friend. And as soon as the prices settle, it'll be my friend too. And of course, at that point, I'll just play "Commercials Be Gone."

Kellner is so full of used food. He's part of the reason that Cartoon Network dumped the old Speedy Gonzalez cartoons, too. What does that tell you about his mindset (or lack of it)?

48 posted on 05/02/2002 7:46:30 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Grig
Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots.

This comment is so breathtakingly stupid, it's hard to know where to respond first. There isn't a contract between the viewer and the broadcaster. The viewer gives nothing in consideration to be able to watch the programming, thus no enforcable contract. The fees paid to cable companies, TV manufacturers for the equipment, and dish providers are separate contracts for their products and services, not for the underlying programming. If you have an internet service contract are you required to view CNN.com?

It appears that the ad companies are realizing the TV is not an effective medium and are not paying broadcasters high rates. Perhaps they are taking Neisen ratings and cutting off the top a number based on the sales of digital recorders, assuming everyone using them is cutting commercials.

49 posted on 05/02/2002 7:47:10 AM PDT by 1L
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To: mhking
He's part of the reason that Cartoon Network dumped the old Speedy Gonzalez

Why? That was one of the best cartoons out there!

50 posted on 05/02/2002 7:50:02 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Grig
Amazing - These people are NUTS - I'll just stop watching TV.
51 posted on 05/02/2002 7:51:07 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: TADSLOS
Hey Kellner, here's a preview of coming attractions...Power off, CLICK!

Got there a long time ago. When I go visit folks, I am simply amazed at what they will sit and watch. The acting is so obvious, the stories are stupid. The subject is inane.

I would rather watch paint dry. I have come to the conclusion that the ability to watch television must be some mass mental illness.

52 posted on 05/02/2002 7:51:54 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: mhking
Tivo is your friend. And as soon as the prices settle, it'll be my friend too. And of course, at that point, I'll just play "Commercials Be Gone."

my tivo is the best consumer product i have ever purchased. i couldn't be more pleased with it.

* i don't work for or represent tivo inc in any way..blah blah blah

53 posted on 05/02/2002 7:52:29 AM PDT by danelectro
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When a consumer buys an overpriced box of Sugarlots cereal the cost includes what the company pays for the TV advertisement. We bear the cost of the ad.
54 posted on 05/02/2002 7:53:33 AM PDT by catonsville
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To: Walkin Man
DVI/HDCP/HDMI = the obsolescence of 3 million HDTV's sold to date. Not a good scene.
55 posted on 05/02/2002 7:54:08 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Grig
I didn't sign any contract to watch commercials.

Neither did I

Next they well tell you that you have to watch all the shows too.

They have to hold a gun to my head to make me watch commercials. If it were after me they would be outlawed.

And I'm still going to go to the can or fridge when I feel like it. The DMCA has got to go. This is just nuts.

Excactly

56 posted on 05/02/2002 7:54:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: cardinal4
Why? That was one of the best cartoons out there!

Agreed, but it wasn't (let's say it together...) "politically correct". Never mind that plenty of Hispanics protested Turner/WB's decision. Political correctness is rampant in the hallowed halls of Techwood Drive.

57 posted on 05/02/2002 7:54:41 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Grig
>"Because of the ad skips.... It's theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial or watch the button you're actually stealing the programming."

Mark W.

58 posted on 05/02/2002 7:55:17 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: dighton; aculeus
"I don't even watch the damn programs, so toss me in prison."
59 posted on 05/02/2002 7:55:54 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Grig
They are terrorists. The commercials they put on the air are a form of torture. There should be some minimum standard before they can be aired. They should be forced to watch Billy Maze, DiTech, Bloussant, and Enerex commercials till they go mad...

How cheap are these spots? How do these POS companies with fake products afford the hundreds of daily spots? Who would be stupid enough to buy this crap?

If they put annoying commercials on the air... I use the mute button or change the channel to avoid them.

60 posted on 05/02/2002 7:56:39 AM PDT by sailrabbit
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