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In the portion of his book dealing with Mark Neely, DiLorenzo does two things: first, he explains and interprets Neelys book, Fate of Liberty: In 'Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Rights,' Mark E. Neely Jr. observed that as early as the 1840s Lincoln, one of the most ambitious politicians in American history, was seething with resentment over the fact that the Constitution stood in the way of the Whig economic program and his vaunted American System. Second, Dilorenzo provides a quote from Neelys book, in support of his interpretation: At that time, writes Neely, 'Lincoln appeared to be marching steadily toward a position of gruff and belittling impatience with constitutional arguments against the beleaguered Whig program. However, as you pointed out in your reply on WND, this quote does not support Dilorenzos interpretation, for it merely says that Lincoln was frustrated, not with the Constitution itself, but with the constitutional arguments of his opponents. Moreover, your reply has shown that Neely himself, in the very same work and on the very same page from which Dilorenzo has extracted this quotation, wrote that Lincoln thought that the Bank (one element of the Whig program) was Constitutional.
In his most recent reply to you on lewrockwell.com, Dilorenzo repeats the quote from Neely: Lincoln exhibited a gruff and belittling impatience over constitutional arguments that had stood in the way of his cherished mercantilist economic agenda. He then mentions your claim that he misinterpreted Neely: Quackenbush takes me to task for allegedly implying that Neely wrote that Lincoln opposed the Constitution and not just constitutional arguments. But he neglects to repeat his explanation and interpretation of Neelys work, which provided the basis for your charge: Mark E. Neely Jr. observed that as early as the 1840s Lincoln, one of the most ambitious politicians in American history, was seething with resentment over the fact that the Constitution stood in the way of the Whig economic program and his vaunted American System. Rather than trying to defend his interpretation of Neely, Dilorenzo simply ignores it.
Dilorenzo then takes sophistry to a new level. He says that he argues at great length in the book that Lincoln did resent the Constitution. Well, so what. The fact that Dilorenzo argues that Lincoln did resent the Constitution doesnt give him license to misquote Neely to that effect. Dilorenzo continues: In fact, this quotation of Neely comes at the end of the chapter entitled Was Lincoln a Dictator, in which I recount the trashing of the Constitution by Lincoln as discussed in such books as James Randalls Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln, Dean Spragues Freedom Under Lincoln, and Neelys Fate of Liberty. Again, the views of Randall and Sprague on Lincolns view of Constitution are irrelevant. You did not claim that Dilorenzo misrepresented their views. You claimed that he misrepresented Neelys. What is at issue, then, is what Neely, not Randall and Sprague, thought of Lincolns attitude towards the Constitution. And as for Neelys Fate of Liberty, if some other part of that work indicated that Neely thought that Lincoln was seething with resentment of the Constitution itself, then why didnt Dilorenzo choose to quote that part, instead of the sentence that he did quote, which, as you have shown, doesnt support his interpretation of Neely in the slightest? Perhaps the reason why Dilorenzo didnt quote some other text from Fate of Liberty to support his interpretation of Neely is that such a text doesnt exist. In Fate of Liberty, Neely does not imply that Lincoln was frustrated with the Constitution itself, he merely says that Lincoln was irritated by the tendentious arguments of his political opponents, who, in Lincolns view, failed to recognize the constitutionality of his programs. You established that in your reply, quoting Neelys Fate of Liberty a number of times to this effect.
This seems to be a pattern for Dilorenzo: his arguments are so weak that he feels the need to buttress them by appealing to the authority of famous and respected historians. However, these historians dont agree with him, so he is forced to misrepresent their positions. Another example of this, as you well know, is his treatment of Roy Basler.
As you demonstrated in your reply, Dilorenzo totally misinterprets Baslers lacking in effectiveness sentence. Dilorenzo defends that misinterpretation in his most recent reply, ridiculously claiming that Basler believed that Lincolns words on slavery were ineffective because Lincolns actions did not match his impressive rhetoric. But your reply proved that the actual quotation clearly implies that even in this single speech, Basler's only topic Lincoln's words on slavery were not ineffective on the crucial questions of the extension of slavery, of preserving the essential central idea of human equality, and of respecting the Negro as a human being.
What is even more egregious, however, is Dilorenzos attempted defense of his claim that Baslers text implied that Lincoln was insincere. As you mention in your reply, Dilorenzo wrote that Basler "wrote that Lincoln barely ever mentioned the topic prior to 1854 and even then, he did not seem at all sincere. 'His words lacked effectiveness,' writes Basler." Here is a concise summary of Dilorenzos defense of his claim in his lewrockwell.com column: Lincoln contradicted himself many times by making racist remarks, etc. Therefore, his public comments about slavery and the natural rights of the Declaration were insincere. Therefore, according to Dilorenzo, it makes sense to interpret Baslers quote that Lincolns words were lacking in effectiveness to mean that they were also insincere, since Lincoln was in fact insincere.
First of all, I dont think that Dilorenzo has in any way established that Lincoln was insincere. Second, even if Lincoln were insincere, that doesnt mean its reasonable to interpret Baslers quote to mean that. One might just as well say that because Lincoln was tall, Balsers quote about lacking in effectiveness also implied that Lincoln had greater than average height.
To sum up, I think that the following is an abstract version of Dilorenzos method of argument:
He claims that a brilliant and renowned historian says that A is B.
You point out that the historian in fact said no such thing.
He replies by saying that, even apart from his quotation of the historian, he himself proved that A is B elsewhere in his book. But even assuming arguendo that Dilorenzo did prove it somewhere else in his book, that still doesnt justify his misquoting the historian.
To take an analogy: Lets say a constitutional scholar wrote a book against Roe. v Wade in which he totally misquoted Justice White, a staunch opponent of Roe, and implied that White thought Roe v Wade was correctly decided and regretted writing his dissent. Lets also assume that the scholar was later criticized for his misquotation of Justice White. It wouldnt be sufficient for the author to defend himself by saying that the rest of his book definitively proved that Roe v Wade was rightly decided. Even assuming that his book did prove that, it doesnt give him license to misquote White.
But not only would the scholar be wrong in thinking that because Roe v Wade was rightly decided, he could misquote White to that effect, he would also be wrong about Roe in the first place: in fact, its bad constitutional law.
And as the hypothetical constitutional scholar stands to Justice White, so does DiLorenzo stand to Lincoln.
The good work lies in exposing charlatans like DiLorenzo.
His whole edifice of lies about President Lincoln crashes down based on one datum.
President Lincoln refused to rescind the Emancipation Proclamation when it might have helped him win re-election. He took a strong moral position to do so and no amount of lying will change that.
Walt
Check the speeches. The Clay eulogy is garbled to produce a gross misrepresentation, [Basler, pg. 274] and the Cooper Institute speech actually has Lincoln quoting Jefferson, and not saying a thing there about "deporting." [Basler, pg.531]
DiLorenzo has a habit, nay, a vice, of abuse of language.
It's very helpful for him to continue responding; he destroys his credibility and damages his cause every time he opens his mouth.
Cheers,
Richard F.
In the 1862 election, the Republicans lost seats in Congress and barely retained their majority because of the opposite of what you say -- so many Republicans were in the army and not at home to vote.
In the 1864 election the Republican National Committee was so certain that Lincoln would lose, they actually asked him to step down so a new nominee could be selected.
You've been duped.
Walt
Glad to give you the chance to modify your previously false position. Where's your documentation?
Walt
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