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A message from Fr. Joseph Fessio, S.J.
Ignatius Press ^ | Apr.27, 2002 | Fr. Joseph Fessio, S.J.

Posted on 04/28/2002 12:35:48 AM PDT by history_matters

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With the major assault upon the Roman Catholic Church by AmChurch (and their cohort in the liberal media) on the way getting ready to try to overwhelm the USCCB meeting in Dallas in June -- it is important for faithful Catholics to be informed ... and well-informed.
1 posted on 04/28/2002 12:35:48 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: *Catholic_list; ken5050; Slyfox; rose; ClearBlueSky; Aunt Polgara; Codie; ELS; katnip;viadexter...
Catholic bump

Freepmail me if you want on or off my ping list. God bless.

2 posted on 04/28/2002 12:37:01 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Diago; patent; Askel5; Dr. Brian Kopp
From the Rev. Paul Shaughnessy's essay linked above:
Use your checkbook as a carrot and stick. Remember that when your pastoral associate flies to Rio during Mardi Gras, you're footing the bill. Don't be silent partners in corruption. When a scandal involving a priest hits the papers, first, cut out the pertinent news article; second, write a check for $100 to the Missionaries of Charity (Mother Teresa's nuns); third, when you receive a request for donations from the outfit in which the scandal occurred, enclose the article in the return envelope along with a photocopy of your check to the MCs and a note to this effect: "My previous contributions were intended for the support of my pastors and the propagation of the faith. From now on you can pay for your own K-Y jelly and your own AZT. I will resume my donations when you have cleaned the stables." They'll get the message. Just as important, when a bishop or religious superior shows some spine by a gutsy dismissal or intervention, send him a note telling him what you think, and include a check as well.

3 posted on 04/28/2002 12:48:28 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Notwithstanding; father_elijah; ELS; Aquinasfan; Lady In Blue
A bump for Father Fessio!
4 posted on 04/28/2002 12:53:28 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
What THE BIBLE says about Homosexuality (click here)

THE LIVE WIRE: "SEX SCANDAL IN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DUE TO IGNORING SCRIPTURES" -Commentary by Gregory J. Rummo

5 posted on 04/28/2002 1:11:29 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: history_matters
All clergy people in every religion are tainted by this. All the files in question need to be turned over to the authorities so that the abusers can be investigated, and the good and decent people vindicated.
6 posted on 04/28/2002 3:35:43 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Catholicguy; rbmillerjr; brat; Robert Drobot; Dumb_Ox
Sunday morning -- p i n g
7 posted on 04/28/2002 4:16:57 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Important post. Thank you!
8 posted on 04/28/2002 4:25:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
My pleasure. God bless!


9 posted on 04/28/2002 4:27:27 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Amen.....good advice.
10 posted on 04/28/2002 5:34:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: history_matters
Well if all clergy married and unmarried in all denominations are beset by this problem it must say something about the emotional /psychological makeup of men who think they have the calling to spread the word or minister to the laity
11 posted on 04/28/2002 5:43:41 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: history_matters
I just heard Cardinal George on MTP. First off he blinks like a liar. How can his words possibly represent the Church?
12 posted on 04/28/2002 7:20:15 AM PDT by Angelique
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To: history_matters
Anyone watching Fr. Richard McBrien on Meet the Press??

He is listed in "The Homosexual Network" as a supporter of the homosexual movement and ideology.

13 posted on 04/28/2002 7:31:11 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: history_matters
God bless Father Fessio. May he soon be elevated to the rank of Bishop to take over one of the troubled diocese run into the ground by malfeasance. I have a suspicion that a lot of cathedras will be vacant soon...
14 posted on 04/28/2002 7:37:30 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: history_matters
Thanks for the bump ... I appreciate the information!
15 posted on 04/28/2002 7:49:07 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Angelique
Don't make too much of body language. You may have forgotten that our president used to come across on TV like this. He was nervous and unsure of his positions sometimes. Look at him now. By contrast, Bill Clinton was always about to look at us straight in the eye and never blink.
16 posted on 04/28/2002 8:00:03 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Slyfox
Did you listen to Father Neuhaus? McBrien actually affirmed what Neuhaus condemned: the right of "gays"--those who makes homosexual lust the very center of their lives-- to enter the priesthood and openly practice what goes directly against Catholic teachings.
17 posted on 04/28/2002 8:11:34 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Cindy
Mandatory celibacy came into being at the Second Lateran Council in 1139 when Pope Innocent the Second pronounced all clerical marriages invalid and the children of such marriages bastards. Mandatory celibacy was later affirmed by the council of Trent in the 16th century and subsequently by every pope since that time.

The article you referenced is full of errors and lies. The mischaracterization of what Paul wrote being just one. The author obviously knows little of Scripture or history. His failure to mention only one of the following shows that he is agenda driven and a liar:

Clement of Alexandria (~150-220 AD) "Stromata" Book VII, Chapter XI

Canons XXVII and XXXIII of the Council of Elvira 295-302 AD

Council of Nicea 325 AD

Pope Siricius "Dicreta" 385 AD

Pope Siricius "Cum in unum" 386 AD

Synod of Rome 386 AD

Second Council of Carthage 390 AD

Codex canonum Ecclesiae Africanae 419 AD

catechesis of St. Cyril of Jerusalem (313-386 AD)

"Letter to Pammachius" St. Jerome (347-419 AD)

St. Jeromes' polemic with Vigilantius from Gaul 406 AD

"De conjugiis adulterinis" St. Augustine 419 AD

"Breviatio Ferrandi" ~550 AD

Third Council of Toledo 589 AD

councils held under St. Caesarius of Arles sixth century AD

Irish Penitentials sixth century AD

Poenitentiale Vinniani, no. 27, sixth century AD

Council of Metz 888 AD

Council of Mainz 888 AD

Council of Rheims 909 AD

Synod of Rome 1077 AD

First Lateran Council Canons III, XI 1123 AD

Second Lateran Council Canons VI, VII, XI 1139 AD

18 posted on 04/28/2002 8:18:17 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: RobbyS
After having read both of their writings over the last 20 years, I say, so what if he said one thing he agreed with Neuhaus on. You should read the other things McBrien has had to say. He is a disgrace to his collar. He is a supporter of New Ways Ministry and is sourced in their literature affirming their stand on homosexuality. If you noticed at the end of his diatribe on the show he started doing a commercial for priests being able to marry. He has written volumes mocking the Church while maintaining an air of credibility. He's a snake.
19 posted on 04/28/2002 8:41:16 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: history_matters
Oh! Yes! the media is already spouting the agenda for celebicity to end and marriage to begin...but! but! I always assumed that our clergy were untouchable, devoting their lives to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ...When the first apostles were chosen, some were married and forsook all in order to follow Christ and participate in His spreading of the Word. What pray tell do our modern day clergy have in mind.....Exactly, there has been an infiltration of men whose main desire is to destroy the one and only holy Catholic church, no if's and's or but's....To the faithful clergy I say remain steadfast and pray that we may be rid of this abomination...Peace to all.
20 posted on 04/28/2002 9:09:02 AM PDT by ejo
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