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Sharon's plan is to drive Palestinians across the Jordan
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 04/28/2002

Posted on 04/27/2002 5:25:11 PM PDT by Pokey78

THE leading Israeli historian Martin van Creveld predicts that a US attack on Iraq or a terrorist strike at home could trigger a massive mobilisation to clear the occupied territories of their two million Arabs

Two years ago, less than eight per cent of those who took part in a Gallup poll among Jewish Israelis said they were in favour of what is euphemistically called "transfer" - that is, the expulsion of perhaps two million Palestinians across the River Jordan. This month that figure reached 44 per cent.

Earlier this year, when a journalist asked Ariel Sharon whether he favoured such a move, the Israeli prime minister said he did not think in such terms. A glance at his memoirs, however, shows that he has not always been so fastidious.

In September 1970 King Hussein of Jordan fell on the Palestinians in his kingdom, killing perhaps 5,000 to 10,000. The then Gen Sharon, serving as Commanding Officer, Southern Front, argued that Israel's policy of helping the king was a mistake; instead it should have tried to topple the Hashemite regime.

He has often said since that Jordan, which, according to him, has a Palestinian majority even now, is the Palestinian state. The inference - that the Palestinians should go there - is clear.

During its 1948 War of Independence, Israel drove 650,000 Palestinians from their homes into neighbouring countries. If it were to try something similar today, the outcome could well be a regional war. More and more people in Jerusalem believe that such is Mr Sharon's objective.

It might explain why Mr Sharon, famous for his ability to plan ahead, appears not to have a plan. In fact, he has always harboured a very clear plan - nothing less than to rid Israel of the Palestinians.

Few people, least of all me, want the following events to happen. But such a scenario could easily come about. Mr Sharon would have to wait for a suitable opportunity - such as an American offensive against Iraq, which some Israelis think is going to take place in early summer.

Mr Sharon himself told Colin Powell, the secretary of state, that America should not allow the situation in Israel to delay the operation.

An uprising in Jordan, followed by the collapse of King Abdullah's regime, would also present such an opportunity - as would a spectacular act of terrorism inside Israel that killed hundreds.

Should such circumstances arise, then Israel would mobilise with lightning speed - even now, much of its male population is on standby.

First, the country's three ultra-modern submarines would take up firing positions out at sea. Borders would be closed, a news blackout imposed, and all foreign journalists rounded up and confined to a hotel as guests of the Government.

A force of 12 divisions, 11 of them armoured, plus various territorial units suitable for occupation duties, would be deployed: five against Egypt, three against Syria, and one opposite Lebanon. This would leave three to face east as well as enough forces to put a tank inside every Arab-Israeli village just in case their populations get any funny ideas.

The expulsion of the Palestinians would require only a few brigades. They would not drag people out of their houses but use heavy artillery to drive them out; the damage caused to Jenin would look like a pinprick in comparison.

Any outside intervention would be held off by the Israeli air force. In 1982, the last time it engaged in large-scale operations, it destroyed 19 Syrian anti-aircraft batteries and shot down 100 Syrian aircraft against the loss of one.

Its advantage is much greater now than it was then and would present an awesome threat to any Syrian armoured attack on the Golan Heights.

As for the Egyptians, they are separated from Israel by 150 miles or so of open desert. Judging by what happened in 1967, should they try to cross it they would be destroyed.

The Jordanian and Lebanese armed forces are too small to count and Iraq is in no position to intervene, given that it has not recovered its pre-1991 strength and is being held down by the Americans. Saddam Hussein may launch some of the 30 to 40 missiles he probably has.

The damage they can do, however, is limited. Should Saddam be mad enough to resort to weapons of mass destruction, then Israel's response would be so "awesome and terrible" (as Yitzhak Shamir, the former prime minister, once said) as to defy the imagination.

Some believe that the international community will not permit such an ethnic cleansing. I would not count on it. If Mr Sharon decides to go ahead, the only country that can stop him is the United States.

The US, however, regards itself as being at war with parts of the Muslim world that have supported Osama bin Laden. America will not necessarily object to that world being taught a lesson - particularly if it could be as swift and brutal as the 1967 campaign; and also particularly if it does not disrupt the flow of oil for too long.

Israeli military experts estimate that such a war could be over in just eight days. If the Arab states do not intervene, it will end with the Palestinians expelled and Jordan in ruins.

If they do intervene, the result will be the same, with the main Arab armies destroyed. Israel would, of course, take some casualties, especially in the north, where its population would come under fire from Hizbollah.

However, their number would be limited and Israel would stand triumphant, as it did in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. Are you listening Mr Arafat?



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To: wewereright
the Pals are talked about by many as wild animals on these pages when they are in fact God's children just as the Jewish and you and I are.

Speak for yourself with you moral equivalency. If you go around strapping bombs to children and murdering 4 year olds hiding under beds, than you are indeed as much God's child as are the Palis and the Nazis. I will not claim to be Hitler's brother, thank you very much!

81 posted on 04/27/2002 7:34:15 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: TheDon
They would win hands down if they took the Gandhi approach. It is a sure fire approach to fight against tyranny in a democracy.

I agree. They need to fire whoever is handling their PR, fire Arafat, and find someone who can lead the Pals in non-violent political action. They would win. There is enough sympathy for them here, and in Europe, and incredibly enough, even among Israelis, that few people would begrudge them their victory.

But, any prospective Ghandis and Martin Luther Kings there have probably been murdered by Arafat's security apparatus. They have executed hundreds and hundreds of "collaborators". Among those killed were some our Ghandis, maybe. This is why I say nothing can be done why Arafat is there. When psycho killers rule, normal people either leave (and they have left in droves, taking up residence all over the middle east, and europe, and probably YourTown, USA) or they keep their heads down and their mouths shut.

This is precisely why our US State Dept decision to invite Arafat into the West Bank was such an immoral and deadly blunder.

82 posted on 04/27/2002 7:34:46 PM PDT by marron
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To: AmishDude
I agree with your points. However, the status of the Palis could at last be resolved, they are currently stateless, not just the ones in the West Bank, but all of the Palis in all of the Arab countries, i.e. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Also, Israel would have a defendable land mass.
83 posted on 04/27/2002 7:35:34 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: DentsRun
What are you going to do about the millions of Americans who say, "hey, we don't attack other Americans on account of their religion or ethnicity?"

What is your point? No one in this category is an Islamic Arab-American.

84 posted on 04/27/2002 7:36:37 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: LittleBoPeep
Well well....it looks like somebody else out there understands.
85 posted on 04/27/2002 7:36:47 PM PDT by Icthus
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To: marron
I have to agree with all of your points.
86 posted on 04/27/2002 7:36:50 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: DentsRun
I think that the difference was that the Israelis could vote but the Palestinians could not.
87 posted on 04/27/2002 7:38:40 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: wewereright
How would you respond if you were a Pal?

If I cared for my children and was not a bloodthirsty monster, I would figure out that I was not wanted, and MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE!

88 posted on 04/27/2002 7:39:23 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Icthus
It exists today, and the Israeli's attempt to wipe them off the map is leading America to attacks.
89 posted on 04/27/2002 7:40:31 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: sobieski
Where's America's in such an operation?

America is not safe if any Islamist is alive anywhere on earth.

90 posted on 04/27/2002 7:42:55 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: sobieski
:o) It's ok....it happens to me sometimes too!


91 posted on 04/27/2002 7:43:07 PM PDT by Icthus
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To: TheDon
Before '67, they were Jordanian. Now they are Israeli for all practical purposes -- all internet addresses are .il, for example, because the only internet access comes from Israeli firms. As untidy as it is, the Palestinians really seem unconcerned with statelessness. In fact, they have more sway (esp. in the UN) without it.
92 posted on 04/27/2002 7:43:39 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: cardinal4
In the 1960s-1980s, the country may have gotten ised to rioting in the Black neighborhoods. Rioting by Arabs is coming: it is already the reality throughout Europe.

I am still wating for one --- just one --- Arab American organization to condemn the Sep 11 without "ifs" and "buts." I am saying Arab and not Muslim because the Turkish Americans left no doubt whatever as to where they stood: with the rest of the Americans. But the Arab communities in Detroit, San Diego, New Jersey --- that's another matter.

You are right on the money, Cardinal; good to see you.

93 posted on 04/27/2002 7:44:21 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Maybe; what does that have to do with Israel? And are you advocating genocide?
94 posted on 04/27/2002 7:46:49 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: wewereright
does it really matter why - accept that they didn't want to?

Who really cares what 2 million people that we are going to kill this year think.

95 posted on 04/27/2002 7:47:46 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Re # 75

America has no fundamental quarrel with the Arabs that wouldn't vanish if we treated Israel as we do any other country.

There seems to be no strategic reason or benefit for treating Israel as a sacred cow above all other nations....to be supported with huge cash, technical, and military outlays all of which engender justifiable Arab hatred and enmity.

If there is some huge benefit to this absurdity....what is it?

96 posted on 04/27/2002 7:50:18 PM PDT by rmvh
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I agree. But I think all (at least all Muslim) "Palestinians" (meaning arabs within the borders of Israel should move to SYRIA. That way they can still be arabs and live in the ONLY middle eastern country that MIGHT tolerate them.

As for "motivation", I'm all for CARPET BOMBING W.W.II STYLE EVERY CITY, CAMP they have. As an American I've seen new coverage for most of my adult life seeing civilians targeted by "PALESTINIAN" arabs. Going back to the mid 60's when Arafat's goon's started commandeering American airplanes. Times up. Drive them out or KILL THEM. They have gone out of their way to show they cannot be rehabilitated.

97 posted on 04/27/2002 7:50:22 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: AmishDude;DentsRun
Why are their loyalties suspect? And suspected by whom? You?

I'm with DentsRun. Kristol, Podhortez and Safire cannot be trusted. When McCain started bashing evangelical Christians during the primaries, all three of them began jumping up and down with glee. So did Jonah Goldberg. McCain was wonderful. He was going to deliver them to the promised land, a GOP land purged of those nut case right wing Christians.

And now the three (four) of them are preening and cooing over how nice and wonderful it is that those born again Christians they despise are Israel's best friends.

I was sucked in by all of them except Kristol. Read Safire for decades. Podhortez and his dad were great. Goldberg did good work during Clinton's impeachment. Thought the neocons were tolerant solid conservatives. Now all three are lower than dirt imho.

Btw...I'm not an evangelical. Far from it. But I had to see people used and I hate users even more.

98 posted on 04/27/2002 7:51:40 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: TheDon
No Don, they didn't leave. They were forced out at gunpoint. 800,000 of them. Morrocco, Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia and other Arab countries expelled the Jews who had been living there for 2,000 years (well, their descendants at least).
99 posted on 04/27/2002 7:52:53 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
You should note that sobieski was the same person who was saying a couple of weeks ago that there was no evidence that the Palestinians were holding hostages at the Church of the Nativity and that the people who were saying this must have an ulterior (read pro-Joooooooo) agenda.
100 posted on 04/27/2002 7:55:54 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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