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Sharon's plan is to drive Palestinians across the Jordan
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 04/28/2002

Posted on 04/27/2002 5:25:11 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: DentsRun
Their loyalties are suspect, eh? Why? Others advocate the same position. Others have wanted the war with Iraq even moreso than any of the pundits you mentioned. Why are their loyalties suspect?

And suspected by whom? You?

61 posted on 04/27/2002 7:10:05 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: wewereright
If the settlements were not considered part of Israel OK but they represent an expansion of the already disputed boundaries.

I won't dispute that. Israel is prepared to permit a limited autonomy to the West Bank Palestinians. But, right or wrong, they still expect to be able to buy, and develop, land there. And they expect those Israelis settled there to be allowed to commute to and from their jobs, and to live in peace.

That isn't the question. The question is whether or not the Pals are willing to live alongside them in peace. If the answer is yes, fine. Something can be worked out. If not, they will eventually be expelled. If not by Sharon, then by one of his successors. That is their decision to make and the answer to that is their destiny.

62 posted on 04/27/2002 7:10:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: wewereright
Why don't the other arab nations allow the Pali's to settle? Are you arware that the other arab countries have refused to do this?

Somthing to ponder.....

In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

Pali's are arabs! They are not distinguishable from Jordanians or Syrians or Iraquis. Why do you think none of the other so called "arab brothers" want them?

63 posted on 04/27/2002 7:11:32 PM PDT by Icthus
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To: sobieski
Re your #43

America would be a far better, morally advanced, and safer place if our Government would insist on America's welfare first over Israel's as these goals are clearly, no matter what the Jewish controlled media says, mutually exclusive.

There is absolutely no sane imperative or advantage in helping Israel endanger the world, or ignite WWIII, or to continue the subjugation of the Arabs through land aquisition that does not belong to them.

Hate and mutual attrocities commited by both sides are the fruit of this insane Jewish strategy.

The Arab world has been a friend of America long before "The Corpulent one" of Israel poisoned the well and before non-semitic Jews invaded and hi-jacked the Holy Land to initiate the problem.

64 posted on 04/27/2002 7:11:41 PM PDT by rmvh
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To: Pokey78
The "Pakistan" solution is the best. Of course, giving the Arabs the West Bank makes Israel rather difficult to defend against the Arabs who have made their intentions clear. Moving the West Bank Arabs to Jordan, and giving the Jews the West Bank is a clean solution. The Arabs won't like it, but you can compensate the West Bank Arabs monetarily.
65 posted on 04/27/2002 7:15:34 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: churchillbuff
LOL! I think you are taking the picture to seriously. But the point made is valid.
66 posted on 04/27/2002 7:17:38 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: wewereright
Perhaps it is just a bargaining chip.
67 posted on 04/27/2002 7:21:00 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Torie
He has no idea what the movement of 2 million people entails. It simply is very unlikely to happen. If it does happen, it might be the beginning of the end of the Israeli state.

Well, if he has studied the history of Israel he knows about the movement of that number of people. If he has studied the movement of refugees after WWII and during the partition of India, he knows about the movement of up to 100 million people.

As for how likely it is to happen, I don't own a crystal ball, nor can I read Sharon's mind.

As for the result, it would also mean the end of the 'Palestinian state', and the end of any state which intervened against Israel. Frankly, if it occurs while we are making war against Iraq, the world will hardly notice it.

68 posted on 04/27/2002 7:21:05 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: marron
They would win hands down if they took the Gandhi approach. It is a sure fire approach to fight against tyranny in a democracy.
69 posted on 04/27/2002 7:22:50 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon
The "Pakistan" solution is the best.

I am so glad you brought that up. India was a definite region before conquered by the British. Pakistanis are ethnically Indian. So, the Muslims were given a homeland. And it isn't good enough! They're fighting over Kashmir. They will never be satisfied. Even if it's a postage stamp of land. If it's "Islamic" land, they will fight to the death for it. There is no amount of west bank land that will satisfy the Palestinians but they will be completely satisfied if there is no Israel but they are under the despotic rule of an "Islamic" dictator.

71 posted on 04/27/2002 7:25:35 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Torie
The US won't stand for it.

What are we going to do about it? Stamp our feet? All of our available troops will be involved in Iraq. During the 8 days it would take Israel to finish the job, no non-military intervention could have an effect.

Do you seriously suggest that the US would exterminate the Jewish state with nuclear weapons? After the Palestinian state no longer exists, people will cry crocodile tears, but will not risk anything for a people who are no longer in existence.

72 posted on 04/27/2002 7:25:49 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: wewereright
A roughly equal number of Jews left Arab countries at the time also.
73 posted on 04/27/2002 7:26:27 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: rmvh
I read it when you posted it before. For your sake, I chose to ignore it. I suppose the "Jewish controlled media" hasn't fooled you.
74 posted on 04/27/2002 7:28:48 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: rmvh
Why not rid the country of Jews? It would make for a safer U.S

The Jews did not destroy the World Trade Center, Osama. It was you and your Arab buddies who did that.

75 posted on 04/27/2002 7:30:27 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: rmvh
Straight from the Pali Terrorist's Propaganda Handbook. Yassir must have an internet connection out of Ramallah after all.
76 posted on 04/27/2002 7:30:29 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If you think that Israel can get away with exploiting a US war with Iraq by launching a campaign to expel 2 million people, I think you are mistaken. Maybe you think that Israel can survive an economic and military boycott by the Western world (which the US would join under these facts). If so, you are mistaken. Israel cannot and will not risk such a break with the US. Even Sharon can appreciate that. The fantacised expulsion campaign will not happen. Period.
77 posted on 04/27/2002 7:31:00 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Unless the expulsion affair is very sanguinary, it will take much longer than 8 days btw.
78 posted on 04/27/2002 7:32:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: wewereright;churchillbuff
As it seems I have truly offended both you with this photo,(that I have also apologized for)let's just agree to disagree.

My argument is more pointed toward why, if the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands, and Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass, do the arabs refuse to accept the Pali's?

The Arabs want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

Did you know that it was Arafat's uncle who served as the grand mufti of Jerusalem in the 1920s and 1930s. It was his uncle who concluded, for the first time, that Mohammed had ascended into heaven from the site known as the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. And it was his uncle who, in an unholy alliance with Adolf Hitler, condemned the Jews and their designs on their eternal capital city.

So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name. (J.F.)

79 posted on 04/27/2002 7:33:39 PM PDT by Icthus
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To: Icthus
Go on back to '49-'50! Those who left voluntarily did so because the Palis told them they would be killed if they stayed. THAT is what they planned to do to the Jews WHEN they were victorious -- which didn't happen! Then, after Israel became a nation the Palis refused to recognize that fact or negotiate with the "hated Jews". The Israeli government said they COULD come back but THEY refused. That's why they sit in "refugee" camps and teach their children continued hate and encourage suicide bombings.
80 posted on 04/27/2002 7:34:05 PM PDT by LittleBoPeep
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