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To: DentsRun
Their loyalties are suspect, eh? Why? Others advocate the same position. Others have wanted the war with Iraq even moreso than any of the pundits you mentioned. Why are their loyalties suspect?

And suspected by whom? You?

61 posted on 04/27/2002 7:10:05 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude;DentsRun
Why are their loyalties suspect? And suspected by whom? You?

I'm with DentsRun. Kristol, Podhortez and Safire cannot be trusted. When McCain started bashing evangelical Christians during the primaries, all three of them began jumping up and down with glee. So did Jonah Goldberg. McCain was wonderful. He was going to deliver them to the promised land, a GOP land purged of those nut case right wing Christians.

And now the three (four) of them are preening and cooing over how nice and wonderful it is that those born again Christians they despise are Israel's best friends.

I was sucked in by all of them except Kristol. Read Safire for decades. Podhortez and his dad were great. Goldberg did good work during Clinton's impeachment. Thought the neocons were tolerant solid conservatives. Now all three are lower than dirt imho.

Btw...I'm not an evangelical. Far from it. But I had to see people used and I hate users even more.

98 posted on 04/27/2002 7:51:40 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: AmishDude
Their loyalties are suspect, eh? Why? Others advocate the same position. Others have wanted the war with Iraq even moreso than any of the pundits you mentioned. Why are their loyalties suspect?

Because they can't separate loyalty to their tribe from loyalty to their country. Here in America we come from different tribes and different religions and different races. We're supposed to put that aside and say those things don't matter. We're all committed to the common good. What matters is our committment to Jeffersonian democracy, the Constitution, rule of law, the bill of rights. Unfortunately a few people put their loyalties to their tribe ahead of their loyalies to their country. And yes, that burns me. If they would just come out and say, "We've got to bomb Iraq to save Israel," I could respect that. Then we could discuss the case for bombing Iraq on its merits. Instead they say, "Saddam is a terrible threat to America." Well, exuse me, but he's not. China's a lot worse threat--ICBMS, MIRVS, and so on down the line. But none of these guys is urging us to bomb China. Why? Because China is not a threat to Israel.

And suspected by whom? You?

By me.

110 posted on 04/27/2002 8:12:28 PM PDT by DentsRun
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