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What is a Neo-Conservative?

Posted on 04/26/2002 12:36:50 PM PDT by ForOurFuture

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To: tacticalogic
I think a good "litmus test" is wheather they support FDR's version of the Commerce Clause.

I think we have a winner!

41 posted on 04/26/2002 1:50:27 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: KC Burke
Fusionism, I have been arguing for a different way of looking at this. I college I was a socialist. Then became a conservative, then a libertarian. Socialism is a defunct philosophy, but how can libertarian and conservative ideas coexist? The answer is Constitutional republicanism. Our Constitution is equal parts conservative and libertarian (the Bill of Rights being the libertarian part, more or less). Free Republican also embodies the idea of a fusion of conservative and libertarian ideas. Thus FreeRepublic.com is indeed fusionist, though many do not realize it.
42 posted on 04/26/2002 1:52:03 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: KC Burke
Its always easy to come up with distinctions that divide us...I have more admiration for those like Meyer, that tried to unify various factions.

You have obviously hit the nail on the head - as evidenced by the excessive use of the term "Neo-con" by Chris Matthews. His motivation is clearly to divide conservatives i.e. divide and conquer.

43 posted on 04/26/2002 1:55:47 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: lightbringer
Horowitz grandaughter is black.
44 posted on 04/26/2002 1:56:03 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
daughter-in-law as well
45 posted on 04/26/2002 2:04:22 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: ThinkNot
But hey, as long as the school expands its jurisdiction to infringe on speech you don't like, everything is A-OK.

Please don't misunderstand me. For all our sakes you should throw all your time & attention behind this very important free speech issue.

In fact I believe Thomas Jefferson had this very kind of speech in his mind when he penned those sacred lines over 200 years ago.

47 posted on 04/26/2002 2:06:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: tacticalogic
I think a good "litmus test" is whether they support FDR's version of the Commerce Clause.

Agreed. That's the perfect litmus test.

48 posted on 04/26/2002 2:08:11 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: skeeter
Wrong thread?
49 posted on 04/26/2002 2:08:54 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
Wrong thread. Sorry.
50 posted on 04/26/2002 2:09:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
No problem. I'll post my reply in the correct one.
51 posted on 04/26/2002 2:12:30 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: tacticalogic
I pretty much agree with that. I think a good "litmus test" is wheather they support FDR's version of the Commerce Clause.

Could you (or someone) please explain FDR's Commerce Clause? I'm not familiar with it. Thanks!

52 posted on 04/26/2002 2:24:53 PM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling
Could you (or someone) please explain FDR's Commerce Clause? I'm not familiar with it. Thanks!

Oh boy. Okay, here goes. The Commerce Clause is in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, and the relevant part amounts to "to regulate commerce among the several states".

The original intent of having this phrase added was to prevent the states from enacting trade barriers and engaging in destructive interstate trade wars. The commonly understood meaning of "regulate" at the time was "to make regular; to keep in good working order". This is easily demonstrated by looking at the phrase "a well regulated militia" found in the Second amendment.

FDR convinced the USSC (coerced is actually a more accurate term - look up the Court Packing Bill for details) to substitute the more recent definition - "to exercise control or have authority over" to the term "regulate", and to agree to the idea that any commerce was potentially interstate commerce, and that anything that could be bought, sold, or traded was potentially commerce.

Thus, he established the authority of the federal government to control anything you own that could conceiveably be bought, sold, or traded, or anything you do that could result in goods or services changing hands, and even to control what you do that could result in goods or services not changing hands that otherwise might have (see Wickard v. Filburn).

Under FDR's interpretation, the Commerce Clause has become a virtual "blank check" Congress can write for seemingly any authority it wants, as long as it can show some potential affect on commerce, however peripheral.

53 posted on 04/26/2002 2:46:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: inkling
An analogy to the commerce clause can be made using the power company as an example. The power company has the authority to do whatever is necessary to "regulate" the power in your house.

Prior to FDR, that meant the would see to it that the voltage and phasing were within the specified limits and that the cabling and other infrastructure were up to the load you might reasonably put on it.

After FDR, it meant they could come into your home and dictate what appliances you could or could not own (even if you never intended to plug them in), when you could use them, and for what purpose.

54 posted on 04/26/2002 2:54:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: lightbringer; rdb3; KC_Conspirator
David Horowitz is the counterbalance to the Molly Ivans' of the left. He saw, and still sees, the effectiveness of sharp rhetoric. The difference is that his rhetoric is based on facts rather than feelings which is what makes him so formidable.

That his approach is working is evidenced by the fact that whenever he appears in public he is required to be accompanied by bodyguards! Were the left not afraid of him, this would not be necessary.

By the way, welcome to FreeRepublic lightbringer - Enjoy!

55 posted on 04/26/2002 2:55:56 PM PDT by facedown
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To: ForOurFuture,Torie
What is a Neo-Conservative?

FR's very own Torie is an example of a neo-con. You may not always agree with Torie but it would serve you well to read what he has to say.

56 posted on 04/26/2002 2:58:33 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: RightOnline
Paleo-cons, however (again, NOT a friendly term....) are considered to be stuck in the 1940's or '50's and would rather spit in your eye than compromise on their beliefs.

Oh, you're talking about the .00005 percenters.

58 posted on 04/26/2002 3:17:47 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: tacticalogic
Thanks for the info! It sure would have been strange living in pre-FDR America... almost like a different country. It's hard to relate to a world where government was so "hands-off." ::drifting off into a pleasant daydream:: :-)
59 posted on 04/26/2002 3:26:05 PM PDT by inkling
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To: KC Burke
With his philosophy, Meyer showed that enforcing
Christian virtues by the state is anti-Christian.

Boy, he'd last about 20 minutes on this forum.

 The fall of the Iron Curtain, the  pope's embrace of capitalism,
and the progress of the conservative movement in America
are just some of the vindications of Meyer's efforts.

It won't help.  Believe me.

60 posted on 04/26/2002 3:31:26 PM PDT by gcruse
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