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What is a Neo-Conservative?

Posted on 04/26/2002 12:36:50 PM PDT by ForOurFuture

I hear the term used more and more, but am not sure what exactly differentiates Neo-Cons from ordinary Conservatives. The one difference I've gleaned is in foreign policy: more agressive, warhawkish. Anybody?


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To: inkling
Thanks for the info! It sure would have been strange living in pre-FDR America... almost like a different country. It's hard to relate to a world where government was so "hands-off." ::drifting off into a pleasant daydream:: :-)

While most people here will rail against some of the sypmtoms produced by this, many will sidestep taking a stand against the root cause. Most, or all of these will be the "NeoCons". The breakpoint for many is the War on Drugs. The DEA's authority is established under, and wholly dependent on FDR's interpretation of the Commerce Clause.

61 posted on 04/26/2002 3:32:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: lightbringer
Any organization that features David Horowitz (the AL Sharpton of the Right) prominently on their homepage is something to be leery of, IMHO

Lighbringer eh? What's another word for that? Wouldn't that be.... Lucifer?

63 posted on 04/26/2002 4:00:48 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: lightbringer
His commentary is supposed to be incendary! He doesn't want to be seen as another meely-mouthed conservative writer who says "Gee golly gosh darn it, I wish this mean old leftists wouldn't be so mean to us." He fights fire with fire. I'm a former Marxist and so is Horowitz. I appreciate what he's doing on a level most of you cannot because you don't know how a Marxist thinks from personal experience. He and Anne Coulter are the two best conservative writers these days. They have the moral integrity to stand up and fight fire with fire. They don't back down, they get right back in the Marxists' faces. That has to be done. FYI I'm a Utilitarian, not a conservative.
65 posted on 04/26/2002 4:13:38 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: AmericaUnited
"Oh, you're talking about the .00005 percenters."

No no........far from it. My "paleo-con" description was fairly accurate, if a bit tongue-in-cheek. Paleo-con's are staunch Constitutionalists. This represents a far, far greater percentage of Conservatives than what you choose to portray as some "fringe" group. If you choose to view, as the liberals do, the Constitution as a (what'd they call it?) "living, breathing document" that is to be selectively enforced or modified according to the whims of the day, then you and I are definitely on opposite sides of the fence.

In fact, I think you'll find the Constitution and its strict following to be the best gauge of where a "conservative" stands: neo- vs. paleo-. I'll stand with the paleo's on this any day.

66 posted on 04/26/2002 4:17:22 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: lightbringer
"That his approach is working is evidenced by the fact that whenever he appears in public he is required to be accompanied by bodyguards!

ANother similarity to Sharpton."

To associate Horowitz with Sharpton in any context is rediculous.

68 posted on 04/26/2002 4:23:34 PM PDT by facedown
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To: ForOurFuture
What is a Neo-Conservative?

John McCain

69 posted on 04/26/2002 4:27:42 PM PDT by ProudEagle
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To: Brandon_the_evil_waspy_male
Yeah I went to see Horowitz speak here at Arizona State University last semester. The guy is a "neo-conman", I find it hard to believe that a former pinko-commie can be such a conservative now. He is nothing more than an opportunist, he writes books about "hating whitey" and places dopey ads about reperations in campus newspapers, because he knows the that white males who are fed up with the whining liberals will buy his books and go to his goofy website and in turn that will make his pockets fat. All the while he is given the child of Abraham pass for being a member of the tribe (aka the neo-kahns), so he doesn't catch half the heat Buchanan does, nor does he have half the knack for writing that Pat does. Horowitz is no conservative, probably just another Mossad implant. LOL

While I probably should have reported your post for some not-so-veiled anti-semitism, I won't. Written by someone who makes an issue of his being a "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Male," your post carries limited legitimacy in the eyes of anyone that has read Horowitz before. While the majority of people on the right are content to pick some off-the-wall topic to protest like abortion, if even that, he takes on the Left directly on its core issues like the race card. He is a true "conservative activist," something I dare say most of the people here are probably not even close to being.

That you even call his opponents liberals shows your ignorance. They are not liberals, they are leftists. Any educated man or woman knows the difference. A liberal is an adherent to the philosophies of Locke and Mill, a leftist to Marx and Trotsky. I am a liberal, they are not.

You are guilty of directly playing the race card once again (besides the first offense being your username) by stating that he is a demagogue that collects angry white men to further his cause. I take it you have not bothered to check out Frontpagemag.com on a continual basis. You would see that Larry Elders and David Yeagly, a black conservative (which in your mind is probably an oxymoron) and a Commanche Indian, are both regular commentators.

Buchanan has publically stated his opposition to much of the free market. He is not merely anti-globalization, he is anti-global trade. His ilk would return us to the days of protectionism that created the smoot-holly tariff, the cause of the Great Depression. Buchanan is a paleo-conservative and Goldwater would be the neo-conservative. Buchanan is stuck in an era of knee-jerk, reactionary politics whereas most educated, true conservatives are definitively progressive by comparison. Buchanan is no friend of civil liberties; he mentally hails from the age of absolutism, not liberalism. Buchanan is an anti-semite that looks upon Israel with disdain because its government does with a great deal of raw efficiency, what every western welfare state does not, defend its people from slaughter by belligerent factions and nations. He is a utopian who has come out recently stating that he thinks that the Israelis must be pushed to the negotiating table. More proof that he is an anti-semite. The Israelis have been to that table more times than any other republican state in the past fifty years and all that their enemies have done is jeer at them from the other end of it.

The golden rule for government is that it must do the most good for the most people while maximizing liberty to the fullest without undermining basic social institutions. Neither Buchanan, nor you acting as his political cheerleader in this forum would give us a state that embodies that creed.

71 posted on 04/26/2002 4:36:55 PM PDT by dheretic
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To: wirestripper
I'm not gonna touch that one! ;^)
72 posted on 04/26/2002 4:40:24 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: lightbringer
Horowitz uses terms like "bombthrower" to characterize ideological opponents while Sharpton uses terms like "lynch mob." Each man plays to his respective audience using the most overheated language possible in an attempt to provoke emotional responses (as opposed to critical thinking).

One last attempt.

The difference between Horowitz and Sharpton is that Horowitz's rhetoric, whatever the "heat", is based on facts, history and law. Sharpton's is based on myths, half-truths and outright lies.

If you can't see the difference you are in a sorry state.

74 posted on 04/26/2002 5:15:17 PM PDT by facedown
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To: lightbringer
Have you ever read The Art of Political War (And Other Radical Pursuits) by Horowitz?
75 posted on 04/26/2002 6:19:08 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
I'm not gonna touch that one! ;^)

No other takers either. Perhaps no one believes I said it.

The simple definition of liberal and conservative stems from the general belief that conservatives protect the status quo and tinker around the edges, and liberals want to trash the status quo and change everything. I like the simple definition better than all this complicated gobblegook!

76 posted on 04/26/2002 6:34:24 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: ForOurFuture
Neocons are just another conspiracy of the best and brightest. It's scientifically provably best and brightest, just as sure as some miracles are disprovable. Luckily for all of us, people wanting success must join some conspiracy. The list of choices is practically endless. Last year, cross-conspiracy vilifications were a burgeoning industry sector all by themselves, creating almost 13% of the world's word product. Do you think I'm joking?

Remember: join the conspiracy of your choice, while you still can.

77 posted on 04/26/2002 6:34:35 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: Okiegolddust; jwalsh07
The neo-con sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

How is that again? LOL.

The one thing I know is that the neo-cons have far more influence in this country that the paleo-cons. I don't anticipate that will change. Cheers.

79 posted on 04/26/2002 7:14:27 PM PDT by Torie
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To: inkling
The Buchananites "paranoia" isn't paranoia since they are actually being persecuted for trying to save their country from distruction. They have been hounded from public life and branded Nazis.
80 posted on 04/26/2002 7:26:36 PM PDT by Iris7
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