Canadian Sniper Hero Faces Court Martial

The London Daily Telegraph ^ | April 25, 2002 | David Rennie in Washington

[Slam]

THE Canadian military has been accused of excessive "squeamishness", after recalling a sniper hailed for his bravery in Afghanistan to face a court martial for shouting at a chaplain.

Master Cpl Arron Perry is one of five Canadian snipers nominated for a Bronze Star by American commanders for saving the lives of US troops during missions to root out die-hard Taliban and al-Qa'eda fighters in mountains.

Cpl Perry has been sent back to Canada to face, instead of a hero's welcome, a court martial on discipline charges, reported to be in connection with threatening remarks he is alleged to have made to the Canadian chaplain during a "stress debriefing".

The sniper is also under investigation in connection with a photograph showing the corpse of an Afghan fighter with a cigarette in its mouth and bearing a sign reading "F*** terrorism". He denies responsibility for the photograph, which was taken during combat.

Cpl Perry is now confined to the city of Edmonton, forbidden from carrying a weapon, and working in a supply role.

"Look at what they did to me," he said. "This is how they show their appreciation to me, by sending me back to Canada."

Military experts yesterday denounced what they called Canada's culture of disdain for its armed services, despite their courageous record in two world wars, as well as in the Korean war and numerous peacekeeping operations.

Canadian commanders have been unusually sensitive to any hint of misconduct since a scandal involving Canadian commandos serving as peacekeepers in Somalia, who beat a teenager to death while he was in their custody.

American plans to award Bronze Stars to all five Canadians have now been delayed.

[Slam]

I think the new Webster defines the exclamation of that term (which is not allowed to be spoken in my home)as what one states when their brain hits the "void of no conscience or rationale thought." Origin I believe is in the valleys in around LA...but not sure.

[Havisham]

One more vignette for my book "Suicidal Elites". (humor)

[Servant of the Nine]

We need to offer him Asylum, citizenship and promotion.

SO9

[Tribune7]

What makes you think you haven't already gone?

Our medicine is still not quit socialized and we still have a navy.

Seriously, are you saying that the tax burden for the average resident of the USA is akin to that of the average Canadian?

[stlrocket]

These guys are Heros and should be knighted! These Canuck pansies should call their queen - maybe she would recognize bravery!

CANADIAN SNIPER IN CAMOUFLAGE

[Snowyman]

I'm trying to keep this simple. On a $60,000 income, single, no dependants, Canadian Fed tax is $10,986. US Federal tax on the same amount (60k) is $11,070. Then in Canada you can add a Provincial income tax and in the US a State and in some cases a city income tax (please correct me if I'm wrong).

The other example I have is :For $75,000 in local currency,

Calgary versus Chicago:

http://www.treas.gov.ab.ca/calc-script/tax_calc.html

CA: $13,629 AB: $5973 CPP & EI: $2374

$21,976

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/calcs/n_tax/main.asp

US: $15,699 IL: $2250 FICA: $5737.50

$23686.50

[toddst]

The subject here is combat. It involves killing. Killing is only justified if it is done to protect Life, rights and Freedom, otherwise, barring accidents, it is always evil... even if, "The man has a combat assignment and he follows orders." That man may be ignorant, but that's not relevant in determining whether the killing was justified, or not.

A sniper is no different than a line infantryman or a bomber pilot. All have assignments in combat and follow orders. In the case of a sniper his assignment is to kill individuals - specific individuals. Somehow people perceive that role as different than anonymous killing by dropping bombs. It's not.

You attached the "ignorant" word to this. How is that relevant? What is this soldier ignorant of? He does his job, follows his orders. That's what soldiers do.

[willyone]

More evidence that Western Civilization will end with a whimper over run by stronger, more ruthless and clear thinking cultures. All this anti terrorism stuff is just a sideshow while the important work of undermining our societies with unlimited immigration and destroying the foundations of our culture and rewriting the history of our nation continues.

[Tribune7]

I'm trying to keep this simple. On a $60,000 income, single, no dependants, Canadian Fed tax is $10,986. US Federal tax on the same amount (60k) is $11,070. Then in Canada you can add a Provincial income tax and in the US a State and in some cases a city income tax (please correct me if I'm wrong).

It depends on the state and it depends on the city. In Pa. there is a state income tax of 2.8 percent. In Fla., it is zero. Philadelphia has a wage tax of 3.9 percent. It is basically zero in the suburbs.

It is my understanding that the total tax burden in Canada including (especially) the sales tax, is much higher than in the U.S. I'm not arguing just curious.

[Poohbah]

If you were familiar with the parachute regiment's behavior in Somalia, you'd probably understand why the Canadian government is overreacting.

[willyone]

In Canada it is against the law to even say somthing bad about a person. Yelling probably gets the death penalty.

[Snowyman]

There is a Federal 8% GST ( grab and screw tax) that replaced a 13% manufacturing tax but was applied to more products , including services but not all products or services. There is a provincial sales tax that varries from province to province. Ontario has a 7% tax, Alberta none.

Where I live it costs $37.50 to plate a car for a year, in Southern Ontario $75.00. Again ,I would think States would varry as would Provinces. There are no health premiums in Ontario, they are paid with a 3% payroll tax by the employer. We have one short toll road in Toronto and a 14.7 cent per litre tax on fuel. The Feds have a hidden 10 cent tax/litre and then charge the GST on top. Cities can not charge income tax.

[spunkets]

By ignorant I mean someone that's unaware of the moral grounds and consequences of what they're doing. I make no distinction by MOS as far as a persons responsibility to ponder and answer the moral questions about what they are engaged in. The soldier should ask and answer these moral questions from the particulars of his engagements to the intents and goals of the overall campaign. A trivial example involves a soldiers consideration of the laws of armed conflict U.S. Military personnel are bound to follow.

War is a clash of wills. The protection of life, rights and Freedom is the only moral justification for engaging in war. Anything else, especially socialist goals, amounts to subjugation and killing to gain substantial control over the Free will of other persons against their wishes.

The fact that folks will attempt to do this has been recognized by various people from the foundation of history. The founding fathers knew it, that's why they created the U.S. Constitution to contain it's balance of powers and included the Bill of Rights.

If folks were unable to think, decide and accept responsibility for themselves and their acts, there would be no point to free will, rights or Freedom. The experts, the best and brightest folks with all answers, smart plans, vision and the most effective gd army of thugs would rule.

[spunkets]

"Western Civilization will end with a whimper over run by stronger, more ruthless and clear thinking cultures."

I don't think it's ruthless cultures that are assaulting, it's socialists. The cultural stuff is just noise. They gain ground because folks refuse to think for themselves, accept responsibility for their own actions and condition and have no self esteem because of that. The ruthless, clear thinkers with socialist goals use the educational system, in all it's forms, to further their domination. Ignorance, laziness(lack of discipline) and the lack of self esteem is why some folks succumb to the nonsense and propaganda and go to the voting booth and turn in their Freedom for promises of free stuff.

[Slam]

Oh boy...I was in Somalia on several different occassions and am familiar whith the incident to which you refer (and others less publicized)...but what does that have to do with anything? This is about bravery, skill and combat and killing by deadly accurate rifle fire and its about Afghanistan and uh, Canandian snipers and over-sensitive governments, REMFS, no ultra REMFS and feely touchy post combat stress evaluations by ministers who get their feelings hurt by combat hardened soldiers who are good at their job and who should of kept their mouth shut, because the kind of stuff you talk with the "cloth" about is supposed to be confidential...poohbah, poohbah...you have really missed me haven't you?

[Tribune7]

There is a Federal 8% GST ( grab and screw tax) that replaced a 13% manufacturing tax but was applied to more products , including services but not all products or services. There is a provincial sales tax that varries from province to province. Ontario has a 7% tax, Alberta none.

The perception here is that Canadians are much higher taxed than we are and have significantly more government. If this is not true, that is good news. Regardless we would all be much richer, happier people with less government and taxes. Keep fighting.

[toddst]

War is a clash of wills. The protection of life, rights and Freedom is the only moral justification for engaging in war. Anything else, especially socialist goals, amounts to subjugation and killing to gain substantial control over the Free will of other persons against their wishes.

I understand you are concerned about and talking about socialism. However, that's not the basis of the post. This Canadian sniper was meeting his national commitment and serving in the same conflict against terror - evil as we have defined it - as our soldiers. His country is playing some sort of stupid game with this man when his combat order involved effective destruction of the enemy - which is exactly what he did - and then something more refined is expected in his dealing with the chaplin.

What standard are they holding this sniper soldier to? He follows his orders and fulfills his contract with Canada. I'm glad he fought on our side. I'm angry because he's being held to some sort of behavior that isn't compatible with the demands of his combat job.

[spunkets]

"What standard are they holding this sniper soldier to?"

I think he's been an excellent soldier. Canada's a socialist country. The story gives 2 key points that indicate MstCpl Perry has a problem simply because he's in a socialist countries Army. The first is they suspect he had something to do with a sign on a deceased jihadist that said, "#$&@ terrorism".

The socialists up there don't allow that kind of sensitivity. The "stress" debriefing incident indicates the socialist command's expectation is that it's soldiers are expected to break down and succumb to severe mental anguish at the conclusion of their assigned duty. The chaplain must of insisted he cooperate with the psycho babble treatment. MstCpl Perry realized he was a well disciplined and capable soldier and that if he went along with it, he would only be encouaging and supporting the crap. So he told the sensitivity guy off.

MstCpl Perry's stance against the socialist bozos up there is definetely good for the discipline and moral of all the soldiers Canada has under arms that cherish Life, rights and Freedom. He's got fortitude and stood up to both the Islamic and the touchy feely jihadists. At any rate, the only folks against the man are the jihadists, and they suck.

If he put the sign up, I think it was an entirely proper display of respect for the deceased, the deceased's life works, and would have been good for discipline and morale.

[bourbon]

Oh, I bet you're right.... I bet this was a muslim chaplain! good thinkin'. we'll see if you're proven correct in the next couple of days I imagine.

[Prodigal Daughter]

I think I was wrong, it appears to have been just another pacifist chaplain who doesn't know his Bible. The following article refers to him as "the padre". Bad soldier, or war hero? The U.S. military wants to give him a medal -- here he faces court martial and related story Edmonton Soldier gets high powered support