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Atkins Had a heart attack
local radio ^ | April 25, 2001 | Magnus Mat

Posted on 04/25/2002 5:50:29 AM PDT by MagnusMat

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To: HELLRAISER II
Hubby gets the gout and eats dried cherries to help. Never thought of him eating maraschino cherries? I'll have to tell him.
281 posted on 04/25/2002 1:58:22 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: gura
What side effects from excess protein consumption should I look out for? Increased muscle mass? Fat loss?

First, to respond to your post 273, yes, consuming more calories than you burn does indeed make you fat, and I agree, it is that simple. The problem is, it's all too easy to exceed your caloric limit (I don't count calories, as the saying goes, but calories DO count) if fats and proteins are the central part of your diet. Two thousand calories a day (or whatever) doesn't go far in the form of meat and butter. Reduce fat and protein, especially the former, and you can eat a LOT, never be hungry, and stay under your calorie limit. But more importantly, just consuming the right amount of calories isn't enough, as I'm sure you know -- vitamins, minerals, fiber, that sort of thing. I'm not one of these people who advocates eating nuts and berries and tree bark or whatever; a reasonable balance is far preferable.

Now, as to the ill effects of too much protein... while obviously not as bad as overconsumption of fat, too much protein can interfere with the absorption of minerals, can raise blood sugar levels, can raise uric acid levels (leading to gout), and is linked to higher incidences of cancer. The biggest problem to me, however, is that high protein foods are so often high in fat.

It used to be commonly believed that the more protein you ate, the stronger you'd be, period. The training tables of college and pro athletes used to permit/encourage literally unlimited meat comsumption. That's no longer the case. Far from somehow "burning" fat, excess protein is stored by the body as fat.

I'm no monk, believe me. I enjoy a nice rare New York strip as much as, if not more than, the next guy. But I make a conscious effort to limit those occasions.

282 posted on 04/25/2002 2:01:08 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina
I notice that Atkins paradigm has evolved over the years, he has a whole book now on using herbs etc. My guess is that over time his paradigm while converge with others to get the unified theory in dieting
283 posted on 04/25/2002 2:06:48 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: MagnusMat
I'm out of here to get a nice juicy steak
284 posted on 04/25/2002 2:15:48 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: Grit
You know, "I eat Spam fried in butter and a cheese omelet for breakfast every day, and I never felt better." You do realize this is not really what the plan dictates, don't you?

Yeah, I know the plan wouldn't advocate quite that level of foolishness. But I've heard defendants of low-carb diets use exactly those words.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the "second time around" for the Atkins plan. The first one (in the 1970s? 80s?) was pretty much all fat and protein, if I'm recalling correctly. Now, he's come back and said eat some veggies too, so to that extent, it's not quite as bad as it was. But I still think he's picking the wrong villain in carbohydrates, as opposed to fats (especially saturated).

Interesting (but not surprising to me, since I've seen it before) how this subject incites passions. A war between the anti-carbs and the anti-fats would make the Civil War look like a picnic.

285 posted on 04/25/2002 2:17:27 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina
STEAKS

All our steaks are fresh cut from specially selected USDA Choice grain fed beef and aged to our specifications,which are rigorous.

TOP SIRLOIN

Aged center cut choice sirloin. Very respectable.

NEW YORK STRIP STEAK

The classic. One of New York City's finest contributions to civilized society.

FILET MIGNON

Tender. And lovely. Perfect

THE PORTERHOUSE STEAK

A cut that highlights the file and strip. Surely you've done something recently to deserve this.

286 posted on 04/25/2002 2:28:23 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: southernnorthcarolina
STEAKS

All our steaks are fresh cut from specially selected USDA Choice grain fed beef and aged to our specifications,which are rigorous.

TOP SIRLOIN

Aged center cut choice sirloin. Very respectable.

NEW YORK STRIP STEAK

The classic. One of New York City's finest contributions to civilized society.

FILET MIGNON

Tender. And lovely. Perfect

THE PORTERHOUSE STEAK

A cut that highlights the file and strip. Surely you've done something recently to deserve this.

287 posted on 04/25/2002 2:29:06 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: MagnusMat
I notice that Atkins paradigm has evolved over the years, he has a whole book now on using herbs etc. My guess is that over time his paradigm while converge with others to get the unified theory in dieting.

Maybe. See my post 285. But there will always be a market for diet plans appealing to what people want to believe.

Our capacity to deceive ourselves knows no bounds. For instance, put the word "salad" in the name of a dish, and people will convince themselves that it's good for them. Go to a salad bar... iceburg lettuce with diced ham, shredded cheese, bacon bits, and a half-cup of thousand island dressing... well, sure it's good for me, it's a salad, isn't it?

288 posted on 04/25/2002 2:33:20 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Yeah, I know the plan wouldn't advocate quite that level of foolishness. But I've heard defendants of low-carb diets use exactly those words.

I don't doubt that -- I have been surprised at how good I feel too. :o)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the "second time around" for the Atkins plan. The first one (in the 1970s? 80s?) was pretty much all fat and protein, if I'm recalling correctly. Now, he's come back and said eat some veggies too, so to that extent, it's not quite as bad as it was.

I believe that is also true. I can't imagine being able to stick to that regimen. I have been doing it for going on 4 months. My prior eating habits were atrocious. I still go to McD's, but now its a 1/4 pounder (sans bun & ketchup) and a side salad. That is obviously better than the 1/4 pounder and super-size fries. No?

Interesting (but not surprising to me, since I've seen it before) how this subject incites passions. A war between the anti-carbs and the anti-fats would make the Civil War look like a picnic.

Funny, isn't it. Every Atkins related thread on FR usually reaches 300+ posts. I guess its one of those subjects on which everyone has an opinion.

289 posted on 04/25/2002 2:50:44 PM PDT by Grit
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To: SamAdams76
I'm glad to hear that you found a diet that works for you. More power to you!
290 posted on 04/25/2002 2:51:03 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Ironically, I was at TGIF's eating lunch (grilled chicken ceaser)when I saw the report about the Dr. on CNN.

There was a young lady at the bar eating a burger w/o the bun and a side of brocolli. I guess the diet really has had a resurgence. (She and myself out of 5 people.)

291 posted on 04/25/2002 2:54:47 PM PDT by Grit
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Then why do the fatten cattle on grains and molasses?
292 posted on 04/25/2002 3:01:17 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: kaktuskid
Then why do the fatten cattle on grains and molasses?

There are many things I don't know much about, and agriculture is right up there near the top of the list. But as a guess, I'd say that grain and molasses are the most cost-effective weight-adding foods they can find that the cows would eat. Being herbivores, cows aren't going to eat meat. And fettucini Alfredo and chocolate eclairs are too expensive. Compared to their standard diet of grass and hay, a grain and molasses diet is calorie rich. Anyway, I'm not so sure interspecies comparisons are valid. For one thing, we only have one stomach.

293 posted on 04/25/2002 3:20:47 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: AppyPappy
If you want to lose weight, watch what fat people eat and avoid those foods. Fat people tend to eat a lot of bread, potatoes, beer, snack foods and restaurant meals

You ever notice how the fattest people eat lots of salad?

I stay away from that stuff and eat prime rib.

294 posted on 04/25/2002 3:24:08 PM PDT by ikka
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To: MagnusMat
Chet Atkins? Isn't that double jeopardy?
295 posted on 04/25/2002 3:27:54 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: MagnusMat
...eat all the bacon you want person

I doubt that he followed that diet himself. Wasn't "The Atkins Diet" intended to be temporary as an aid to weight loss?

296 posted on 04/25/2002 4:08:45 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: mewzilla
Ditto on best wishes to Dr. Atkins. He's over 70. Isn't that close to the average life span?
297 posted on 04/25/2002 4:13:39 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: MagnusMat
People forget he is a doctor

Please elucidate.

298 posted on 04/25/2002 4:15:23 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: Phantom Lord
My favorite "health guru heart attack" was that jogger guy.

That was Jim Fixx. He reportedly had a congenital heart defect that might well have killed him earlier had he not adopted his regimen.

299 posted on 04/25/2002 4:18:59 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: HELLRAISER II
I have found that a "max" lift 1 time a month will give good results,

One of the best workouts I have seen [and used] is a 5x5 method.

First two weeks do 5 sets of 10 reps. Next three weeks, do 5 sets of 5. Last three weeks, do 5 sets of 2.

This is an eight week program that helps build both size and strength. You get three weeks of using heavy weight without maxing out for a single, often damaging repetition.

You can also add sets of incline bar presses or fly's if you choose.

300 posted on 04/25/2002 4:20:43 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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