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To: Grit
You know, "I eat Spam fried in butter and a cheese omelet for breakfast every day, and I never felt better." You do realize this is not really what the plan dictates, don't you?

Yeah, I know the plan wouldn't advocate quite that level of foolishness. But I've heard defendants of low-carb diets use exactly those words.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the "second time around" for the Atkins plan. The first one (in the 1970s? 80s?) was pretty much all fat and protein, if I'm recalling correctly. Now, he's come back and said eat some veggies too, so to that extent, it's not quite as bad as it was. But I still think he's picking the wrong villain in carbohydrates, as opposed to fats (especially saturated).

Interesting (but not surprising to me, since I've seen it before) how this subject incites passions. A war between the anti-carbs and the anti-fats would make the Civil War look like a picnic.

285 posted on 04/25/2002 2:17:27 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina
STEAKS

All our steaks are fresh cut from specially selected USDA Choice grain fed beef and aged to our specifications,which are rigorous.

TOP SIRLOIN

Aged center cut choice sirloin. Very respectable.

NEW YORK STRIP STEAK

The classic. One of New York City's finest contributions to civilized society.

FILET MIGNON

Tender. And lovely. Perfect

THE PORTERHOUSE STEAK

A cut that highlights the file and strip. Surely you've done something recently to deserve this.

286 posted on 04/25/2002 2:28:23 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: southernnorthcarolina
STEAKS

All our steaks are fresh cut from specially selected USDA Choice grain fed beef and aged to our specifications,which are rigorous.

TOP SIRLOIN

Aged center cut choice sirloin. Very respectable.

NEW YORK STRIP STEAK

The classic. One of New York City's finest contributions to civilized society.

FILET MIGNON

Tender. And lovely. Perfect

THE PORTERHOUSE STEAK

A cut that highlights the file and strip. Surely you've done something recently to deserve this.

287 posted on 04/25/2002 2:29:06 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Yeah, I know the plan wouldn't advocate quite that level of foolishness. But I've heard defendants of low-carb diets use exactly those words.

I don't doubt that -- I have been surprised at how good I feel too. :o)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the "second time around" for the Atkins plan. The first one (in the 1970s? 80s?) was pretty much all fat and protein, if I'm recalling correctly. Now, he's come back and said eat some veggies too, so to that extent, it's not quite as bad as it was.

I believe that is also true. I can't imagine being able to stick to that regimen. I have been doing it for going on 4 months. My prior eating habits were atrocious. I still go to McD's, but now its a 1/4 pounder (sans bun & ketchup) and a side salad. That is obviously better than the 1/4 pounder and super-size fries. No?

Interesting (but not surprising to me, since I've seen it before) how this subject incites passions. A war between the anti-carbs and the anti-fats would make the Civil War look like a picnic.

Funny, isn't it. Every Atkins related thread on FR usually reaches 300+ posts. I guess its one of those subjects on which everyone has an opinion.

289 posted on 04/25/2002 2:50:44 PM PDT by Grit
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Ironically, I was at TGIF's eating lunch (grilled chicken ceaser)when I saw the report about the Dr. on CNN.

There was a young lady at the bar eating a burger w/o the bun and a side of brocolli. I guess the diet really has had a resurgence. (She and myself out of 5 people.)

291 posted on 04/25/2002 2:54:47 PM PDT by Grit
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Interesting (but not surprising to me, since I've seen it before) how this subject incites passions. A war between the anti-carbs and the anti-fats would make the Civil War look like a picnic.

Heh, I just made that same observation in an earlier post before reading yours. My passions get stirred up too. Not so much by the issue itself. Ignorance I can handle. Disagreements I can handle. A willingness to remain open while initially disagreeing I can handle.

What bothers me is not disagreement about Atkins. It is the mischaracterization of his ideas, book, diet, plan etc. in order to advance the Anti-Atkins zealotry. It is the babbling about all cheese-burger diets (which he doesn't advocate), the "friend of a friend of a friend" who ended up with high blood pressure, the "I heard Atkins will kill you" and the "Fat makes Fat and it is as simple as that" regardless of what you tell me.

Come on sourthernnorthcarolina. Admit IT! CARBS are the weapon of the ANTI-CHRIST and you are one of his soldiers heh heh...

322 posted on 04/25/2002 8:00:57 PM PDT by bluefish
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