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Church of Nativity Gunmen stole gold, crucifixes, escaped monks report
Jerusalem Post ^ | April 24, 2002 | Margot Dudkevitch

Posted on 04/23/2002 5:35:06 PM PDT by Shermy

Three Armenian monks, who had been held hostage by the Palestinian gunmen inside the Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, managed to flee the church area via a side gate yesterday morning. They immediately thanked the soldiers for rescuing them.

They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage.

The three elderly monks were assisted by soldiers. One of them held a white cloth banner with the words "Please help."

One of the monks, Narkiss Korasian, later told reporters: "They stole everything, they opened the doors one by one and stole everything... they stole our prayer books and four crosses... they didn't leave anything. Thank you for your help, we will never forget it."

Israeli officials said the monks said the gunmen had also begun beating and attacking clergymen.

Chances of a breakthrough in the three-week standoff between the IDF and the gunmen holding clergymen and Palestinian civilians hostage inside the church took a more optimistic turn last night, following two meetings between Palestinian Authority and Israeli officials.

Officials are expected to meet for the third time today, an Israeli security official said last night, adding that the talks were conducted in a good atmosphere.

"The Palestinians insist Israel allow the gunmen to be transferred directly to Gaza with an international escort; we insist they lay down their arms and those found to be involved in terrorist activities go on trial in Israel or be deported," he said.

PA officials who participated in the meetings included Imad Natshe, the district coordinating officer; PA Minister of Tourism Mitre Abu Aita, Bethlehem Mayor Hana Nasser, and Salah Ta'amri. Col. Marcel Aviv leads the IDF negotiating team.

Last night, Nasser told The Jerusalem Post a third meeting would take place this afternoon. The atmosphere in which the talks took place was good, he said, but "frankly, there has been no progress. The Israelis are adamant that the gunmen be deported. They don't know the exact number of the gunmen and neither do we. However we insist that the gunmen be taken to Gaza accompanied by a third party.

"If there are accusations against any of them, they can be formally made to the PA court. We cannot agree to their being deported, as it violates the Oslo Accords and sets a terrible precedent.

"We also asked Israel to improve the hygienic situation inside and restore the power and water and food supplies," he said.

Yesterday was the first time that both sides met for direct talks on the issue.

Of the scores of gunmen inside the church, security officials estimate there are at least 20 fugitives affiliated with the Fatah Tanzim and Hamas.

Among them are Ibrahim Abayat, who has planned and organized terrorist activities in the area, and Jihad Ja'ara who, according to witnesses, was shot in the leg when he and the other gunmen commandeered the church.

Israel has stressed that all those who leave the church and are proven not to have been involved in terrorism will be free to return to their homes.

According to reports from those who fled the compound in recent days, there is growing dissent among the gunmen. Food and water supplies are dwindling, and the pressure is mounting, Israeli officials said. Throughout the past weeks, the IDF has given food and medication to the clergy held hostage inside; the other Palestinians held hostage by the gunmen receive water and medication.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: bethlehem; christianpersecutio; church; churchofnativity; nativity
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To: Shermy
This barbaric outrage is the first news report in several days that has made me cry. I thought I they couldn't get any lower with their savagery in the treatment of suspected collaborators.

Beating elderly priests? What of the nuns? Stealing prayer books and crosses? You know they have some whopper of a lie already cooked up...to blame it on the Jews.

41 posted on 04/23/2002 7:14:53 PM PDT by Selara
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To: mathurine
I have not ever seen a sign of shame by any mohammedan over any outrage committed by any other mohammedan for any reason whatsoever no matter how trivial or idiotic.

Maybe some of us should listen to our President's wonderful speeches a bit more carefully. The stuff about Islam as a religion of peace is not all made up. Look around this web site: Islamic Supreme Council of America

Also worth mentioning is that many men and officers of the Israel Defense Force are Muslim, and I do think they feel some outrage at the Muslim who are trying to kill them.

42 posted on 04/23/2002 7:19:31 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Shermy
... PA Minister of Tourism Mitre Abu Aita ...

He might as well be the Minister of Maytag Repair, or the Grand Vizier of Sinecures.

43 posted on 04/23/2002 7:22:50 PM PDT by Tawiskaro
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To: Shermy
They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage.

Poor Palestinians.
What else could they do?
Like the suicide bombers, these were acts of desperation by a people backed against the wall by the Israeli occcupation.
We need to try to understand their pain and anger after years of being marginalized.

44 posted on 04/23/2002 7:26:37 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: tomahawk
Israel should just let them go to Gaza under a third party.
The scum are not going anywhere really.
Most are from the West Bank and would try to get back there.
Get good video on them..take the pics to the 'Jerusalem Hilton' where the other 4500 of their buddies are now staying..and fill out the rest of the details.
Who knows..maybe the Mossad and the Vatican can have a friendly competition..put some money down.
Here's a tip Gazan's...stay alert around old missionary aid workers...don't hang by watermellon stands too long.
Mossad might complain.."No fair..you have 200 plus agents in Gaza..and we have only 16"!
45 posted on 04/23/2002 7:27:15 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Gritty
I say we let the Israeli's level the Dome of the Rock and build their Temple. I can guarantee that within seven years of that event there will be peace on earth for a thousand years.
46 posted on 04/23/2002 7:36:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Nevertheless, I have never seen a sign of remorse by Mohammedans about any abomination nor much sign that they would be interested in living peacefully in a world where adherence to their world view does not automatically confer some moral superiority.
47 posted on 04/23/2002 7:55:19 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: tomahawk
Annan Rejects Jenin Mission Delay

By EDITH M. LEDERER

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Tuesday refused Israel's demand to delay and change a U.N. fact-finding mission to the war-ravaged Jenin refugee camp, directing its members to arrive in the Mideast by Saturday.

The U.N. Security Council held an emergency meeting after Israel sought a delay, saying it wanted more military and counter-terrorism experts added to the team and also wanted the group to investigate what it says are Palestinian terrorist activities in the camp.

At the end of a nearly two-hour session, the council issued a statement saying it expects ``fast implementation'' of a resolution welcoming the fact-finding mission - and Israel's ``full cooperation'' with the secretary-general and the team.

While the council was holding consultations, Israel's U.N. Ambassador Yehuda Lancry met Annan in his 38th floor office at U.N. headquarters to ask for changes in the team's composition and its scope of action, which Israel wants limited only to Jenin itself.

An Israeli official in Jerusalem charged that the team was chosen by Annan without consulting Israel, as had been agreed, and the members were political, not from a military background as Israel had requested.

A Western diplomat said Israel wants to negotiate terms for the team's activities in Palestinian areas, and wants one member removed, Cornelio Sommaruga, former president of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

But Annan would not discuss his choice of team members, though he did not rule out adding additional experts if necessary, a statement from the U.N. spokesman said.

Finnish Prime Minister Martti Ahtisaari, the team leader, was scheduled to fly to Geneva on Tuesday night and hook up with other members there on Wednesday. He was expecting to be in the Middle East by the end of the week.

Arab nations have accused Israel of massacring Palestinian civilians in the camp, but Israel says the deaths and destruction resulted from gunbattles between its soldiers and Palestinian gunmen. The fighting in Jenin was the fiercest of Israel's 3-week-old military offensive.

Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres gave a green light to the fact-finding mission on Friday saying the country had ``nothing to hide.'' The Security Council unanimously endorsed the mission.

But Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government objected to Annan's appointments announced on Monday. He named Ahtisaari, Sommaruga and Sadako Ogata, the former U.N. high commissioner for refugees.

Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer on Monday night demanded that retired U.S. Maj. Gen. William Nash, who was appointed as military adviser, be made a full member of the team because of the complex security issues involved. He also asked that the U.N. team limit its mission only to Jenin.

Officially, it will remain a three-member team. But Ahtisaari stressed other participants such as advisers and security personnel would bring its size to about 20.

Ahtisaari told reporters on Tuesday that all members of the mission would work as a team, and Nash would play a ``crucial'' role, but as the military adviser. Neither Annan nor Ahtisaari ruled out the possibility of going outside Jenin.

Nasser Al-Kidwa, the Palestinian U.N. observer, called the Israeli decision ``blatant blackmail which will definitely undermine the integrity of the fact-finding process.''

``We thought that the Israeli side did not have anything to hide, but obviously they do,'' he said.

Al-Kidwa said he initially asked for the council meeting after explosions in the Ramallah compound where Arafat is besieged by Israeli troops and tanks, which he called ``a very dangerous development.''

The Security Council has demanded an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Palestinian cities in the West Bank, including Ramallah, and a cease-fire.

The Israeli army said it set off controlled explosions Tuesday to blow up grenades found in Arafat's compound. But Tawfik Tirawi, head of Palestinian intelligence in the West Bank, accused Israel of wanting to destroy a wall between the prison inside the compound and Arafat's office so they could easily enter.

Problems with the International Committee of the Red Cross - which Sommaruga headed from 1987 until 1999 - have been continual since Israel was first rejected for membership in the organization in 1949. The ICRC recognizes only the Cross and the Muslim Crescent as official emblems and will not sanction the Jewish Star of David as a symbol for relief workers.

04/23/02 22:27

48 posted on 04/23/2002 8:02:20 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: VOA
So... Supply them all of the roast pork they can eat. The priests will have no problem with that.
49 posted on 04/23/2002 8:16:50 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Shermy
They've looted the Church of the Nativity - Time for a new Crusade...
50 posted on 04/23/2002 8:18:01 PM PDT by LouD
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To: tomahawk
The Media Whores are a large part of the problem

Reported on Fox, complete with audio of the monks sating "they stole everything".

Not one word on the leftist controlled media, even when they were reporting on the situation at the Church.

Unbelievable!

51 posted on 04/23/2002 8:34:36 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Gritty
The mohammedans are a backward group which would not even begin to comprehend your point. I doubt that there would be an exception to the rule that the mohammedans are only interested in the annihilation of infidels, a term they are incapable of defining intellegently, anyway. Perhaps mohammadens are almost, but not quite human.
52 posted on 04/23/2002 8:36:18 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Steve Eisenberg
The website and organzation you cite is a Sufi one, led by Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani. He has a VERY small following, and the "mainstream" muslim organizations in the US (CAIR, "American" muslim Council, many leading mosques etc.) condemn him as a traitor.

Of course, those "mainstream" "American" muslim organizations are really muslim fifth columnist organizations that support islamic supremacism, expansionism, and terorism throughout the world!!! Just because they get invited to the White House (for the first time ever under clinton and the muslim shill Hillary, but also even under Bush) doesn't change a thing!!!!

Shaykh Kabbani himself says that some 80% of "American" mosques are extremist (i.e., Wahhabi controlled).

islam is not just a religion, but also a movement for WORLD DOMINATION!!!! There ARE muslims (like Shaykh Kabbani, and Shaykh Palazzi in Italy, who even supports Israel) who don't go along with that, but the dominant mood of islamic leadership today is toward jihad and Fatah (i.e., CONQUEST)!!!

53 posted on 04/23/2002 8:52:27 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Shermy
Be on ebay P.D.Q.
54 posted on 04/23/2002 9:09:04 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Shermy
Haven't we been told that the monks don't want to leave?
55 posted on 04/23/2002 9:15:29 PM PDT by tiki
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom, denimjumpermom, LarryLied
ping
56 posted on 04/23/2002 9:22:24 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Stavka2
Not only that, but since when did Switzerland move to the Czech Republic? No wonder the EU's so messed up, different countries are swapping their lands with each other. *g*
57 posted on 04/23/2002 9:37:53 PM PDT by LenS
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To: Jethro Tull
The reason they don't want Sorromuga is because he is quoted as having told a reporter that if they (the Red Cross) was forced to use the "Star Shield" (the Star of David is Israel's Red Cross symbol), they mighty as well use the Swaztika. The Israelis doubt he can be fair towards them.

But the Israelis are primarily holding out because the UN refuses to allow any kind of military expert to be part of the investigation. Which doesn't seem to me to be too unreasonable.

58 posted on 04/23/2002 10:00:46 PM PDT by Deb
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To: Honorary Serb
bump!
59 posted on 04/23/2002 10:18:25 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Mr.Clark
LOL So far only Fox News has aired the Priest and his anger! The rest still consider them to be the victim of those mean IDF troops!
60 posted on 04/23/2002 10:42:58 PM PDT by brat
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