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Text of Pope's Address to U.S. Cardinals
MSNBC ^ | 23 April A.D. 2002 | Pope John Paul II

Posted on 04/23/2002 7:18:12 AM PDT by history_matters

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To: history_matters
It must be absolutely clear to the Catholic faithful, and to the wider community, that Bishops and superiors are concerned, above all else, with the spiritual good of souls.

They haven't. That's the top and bottom of it. Not only have they mishandled sexual abuse, but also doctrinal and liturgical abuse, which has affected proportionately more souls than the sexual scandal.

They've shrugegd their shoulders while a generation has been taught that the Mass is a meal, articial contraception is fine, penance is no longer necessary and Jesus didn't know he was God, to name just a few of the modernist heresies.

In all of this, it has been human respect that has been the overriding consideration and not fear of the Lord who called them, and whose Mystical Body the Church is. The mission of the Church is very simply, to signpost the road to salvation. A road which Jesus himself said is narrow.

The shepherds have let wolves into the fold and the sheep have been ravaged.

21 posted on 04/23/2002 9:58:24 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Psalm 73
I am so sad to hear that you are planning on leaving the Church. I understand the impulse to run from this evil mess, but I beg you to pray the Rosary just once before making a final decision. The Church is so much more than this scandal, and the fat woman hasn't sung yet. God bless you.
22 posted on 04/23/2002 10:00:46 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Vesuvius
No current freeper by that name.

No, but is stench is here.

23 posted on 04/23/2002 10:02:42 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: Petronski
Well, I didn't pull the trigger on him, but I'm glad somebody did. Pure, undisguised bigotry.
24 posted on 04/23/2002 10:18:54 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: history_matters
Let us pray that all the American bishops will take these words of the Pope to heart.
Ronald Reagan listened to Our Holy Father and the Berlin Wall fell as a result.
25 posted on 04/23/2002 10:40:06 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Askel5
I'm afraid there are many who think (Cardinal Law) would make a good sacrifice play.

Has it occured to anyone yet to look into the actions of the organizations like Dignity and such that have tried really hard to change the morality in the Church in a detrimental way? I can name a few bishops right now who have bent over backwards (yes!) to accomadate the every whim of the perverts in our midst. Where is Father Nuegent and his trusty, lusty nun sidekick?

26 posted on 04/23/2002 10:46:12 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: history_matters
If Jesus Christ were sitting where the pope is the Cardinals, Bishops, Abbots and priests that were guilty of these sex crimes against children would be quaking in their slimy boots, no doubt. Jesus would be in a rage that would destroy all of these alleged men of God. Men of God who used God's holy name to rape and seduce the young. Men of God who then covered up the sex crimes and passed the perpetrators on to other parishes to continue molesting and raping kids.

I'm sure that Jesus would unleash lightening fire bolts that would turn these Godless Hypocrites to ashes instantly.

If John Paul II was the Man of God that many on this News Group say, than where is his total outrage at/toward all who are involved.

A Spiritual type of Ethnic Cleansing in the Catholic Church seems to be inorder here!?

27 posted on 04/23/2002 10:59:39 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: Vesuvius
I think he may whack on some of the Cardinals in private.

Remember, two weeks ago the statement from the "Vatican" was, "The Americans will deal with this themselves. The HF will not get involved."

But JP II summoned them.

I say give it a few more days.

The statement is benign, but it is also designed for public consumption.

In this day and age, everything has to be mealy-mouthed and PC, or the whole world condemns you, regardless of the message.

JP II is just reacting to a media-run world.

My hunch is that he will fire a few or more Bishops.

28 posted on 04/23/2002 11:03:37 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Slyfox
Oh ... it's so sad.

I've been transcribing tapes of and on of a group called "Faithful Catholics of NE Florida". They have some amazing folks come in ... all of whom tell the same story.

Regardless the paltry research effort needed to scratch the candy-coating surface to reveal the most revolutionary of intent, Dioceseses not only CONSISTENTLY let the wolf in the henhouse and appoint radicals to head up the Education office, the "Peace and Justice" office, the CHD pursestrings and committees on liturgy, they almost uniformly DENY the traditional the opportunity to speak and are careful to distance themselves from whatever actions are taken by publicly announcing they've no blessing from the Bishop.

It's the same tack only worse as used by the GOP who'll bend over backwards to listen to, curry the favor of and appoint those with agendas diametrically opposed to the so-called "personal convictions" for which we elected these bozos in the first place.

Just another reason -- besides the fact that the Church is not a democracy -- that I cringe when folks suggest that elections would be the answer.

29 posted on 04/23/2002 11:05:17 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Psalm 73
Didn't see him mention homosexuals even once.

You need to learn to read Vaticaneese. It's right there in front of you.

They must know that Bishops and priests are totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality, a truth as essential to the renewal of the priesthood and the episcopate as it is to the renewal of marriage and family life.

"Totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality" doesn't say anything about homosexuality to you? The Pope identifies a priesthood committed to this as the key to renewal.

SD

30 posted on 04/23/2002 11:17:22 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Askel5
Dioceseses not only CONSISTENTLY let the wolf in the henhouse and appoint radicals to head up the Education office, the "Peace and Justice" office, the CHD pursestrings and committees on liturgy, they almost uniformly DENY the traditional the opportunity to speak and are careful to distance themselves from whatever actions are taken by publicly announcing they've no blessing from the Bishop.

A number of bishops have let their chancery offices be run by the liberals. They let Sister Femi-Nazi run the show. She makes decisions about priest placement, about liturgies, about sex ed, about the structure of new churches insuring that Our Lord gets a closet all His own miles away from the altar front and center. These bishops need to reclaim their manhood. Pronto.

31 posted on 04/23/2002 11:21:34 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
We were talking in Catechism last night about how it could possibly be true (and it is true) that one of the men primarily responsible for English translations of the Norvus Ordo is a defrocked priest.

I don't know what poisoned them so. When you think about the way Maritain, even, took a shine to the likes of Saul Alinsky once upon a time (favorably reviewing his "Reveille for Radicals") it's possible to give a few the benefit of the doubt.

With all the strange fruit that's been festering for a generation now, I see no reason still to cut them ANY slack.

One thing I'd love to see the most is the axing at the root of the annual shake-down they call the Campaign for Human Development.

There's a gentleman who (for other reasons entirely) is interested in having me interview Archbishop Hannan at length. With any luck, I'll get the opportunity to find out what was his thinking behind the funding scheme he set up and why it was he and others felt the "United Way" model was appropriate for AmChurch.

32 posted on 04/23/2002 11:32:05 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: SoothingDave
"Totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality" doesn't say anything about homosexuality to you? The Pope identifies a priesthood committed to this as the key to renewal.

Excellent point. I understood it to mean the same thing.

God bless.

33 posted on 04/23/2002 11:43:19 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Askel5
We were talking in Catechism last night about how it could possibly be true (and it is true) that one of the men primarily responsible for English translations of the Norvus Ordo is a defrocked priest.

The other men responsible for the Norvus Ordo were Protestant ministers. If you are familiar with Anne Catherine Emmerich, she was given to believe that even though "they" would try to destroy the Mass, they would be unable to destroy the essense of the Mass, essentially, the Eucharist. So, it is still valid, though it is not as beautiful and inspiring. One of the things JPII tried to do when he first became Pope was to return the old Latin Mass to us, which he did.

34 posted on 04/23/2002 11:47:00 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Petronski
He will be back. Some people can't take a hint.
35 posted on 04/23/2002 11:55:39 AM PDT by patent
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To: SoothingDave
"Totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality" doesn't say anything about homosexuality to you?

Then why does he not come right out and say it?
What is he afraid of? The powerfull Bishops and Cardinals who may be homosexual?
Boy, are we ever in trouble.
I don't want to be around the Catholic Church when God pours out His wrath upon it!!

36 posted on 04/23/2002 11:56:42 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: Psalm 73
"Totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality" doesn't say anything about homosexuality to you?

Then why does he not come right out and say it?

He did come right out and say it. Why can't you hear it?

By requiring the upholding of the "fullness of Catholic tuth on matters of sexual morality" he comes right out against not only homosexuality, but all manners of perversion. It is a stonger statement than the one you wish he had made.

SD

37 posted on 04/23/2002 12:04:51 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Psalm 73;history matters;all
Everyone! Attention! This is NOT a Catholic but one of the fundamentalists who likes to masquerade as a Catholic to give the impression that Catholics are leaving. MAJOR DISRUPTOR ALERT!
38 posted on 04/23/2002 12:10:02 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: SoothingDave
See post #38.
39 posted on 04/23/2002 12:10:52 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Psalm 73
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor

Or did your version of the Bible edit that one out too?

40 posted on 04/23/2002 12:13:49 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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