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Who women's lib actually liberated Exclusive: Barbara Simpson says females duped into ditching home
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/22/02 | Barbara Simpson

Posted on 04/22/2002 4:40:48 AM PDT by kattracks

Talk about dumb broads

Posted: April 22, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

If women are so smart, why are they so dumb?

And before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm entitled to criticize females because the last time I checked, I'm one of them. Katie bar the door, I'm about to be incredibly politically incorrect.

Women have been sold a bill of goods, which they bought hook, line and sinker. Ever since the '60s, when the brunt of feminism hit the media, the message was clear: Go for it! You can have (be, do, experience) everything!

There's only one problem. It isn't true. Never was. Never will be.

But men knew that. Lost in the burst for female "freedom" was the ugly truth that men, who supposedly had "everything" that women were being denied, were really victims of a system that kept them prisoner.

It was the price they paid for being men. Their role in life was to be the breadwinner, the master of the home, the head and protector of the family, the person ultimately responsible for the survival of his tribe and the soldier-protector of his country.

He had to be brave, smart, hard working and supportive of the family. He had to be husband, father, son, sibling, uncle, neighbor, friend. He had to work to earn the means to play all those roles, and he had no choice.

This isn't to say there weren't scoundrels. Of course there were – men who deserted their women and children, who drank or gambled the family earnings, or womanized their way through marriages which hung together for "the sake of the children."

Guys like that aren't new and are still around. In fact, women's liberation has been great for men who prefer to chill out, and societal changes make it easy.

Want sex? Take your pick. Chicks are there for the asking; in fact, they'll compete to be the "chosen one" for the day. Or night. No questions. No promises. How great is that?

Don't want kids? No worry. There's all kinds of prevention (sounds like a plague, doesn't it?) with most of the responsibility on her. And if they don't "work" and a new life gets in the way, just get rid of it. It's legal, private and accepted. And if she's really a "today woman," she might not even tell you and just "take care of things" on her own. What a gal! What a life!

Don't want marriage? Duh. Just live together. Get the bennies and avoid the legal technicalities. Get tired of that? Leave. Hey, the door is always open.

Women's liberation freed men from responsibility. It encouraged women to "find" themselves. They were urged to "go for it" careerwise.

Of course they could do it. Women are smart and able to work hard and succeed. But by doing it, they walked right into the trap that men had been in all along.

Now they find themselves in careers that are time-consuming, require travel away from home and envelop their lives. In that sense, women turned into what they originally disliked about their men and in the process, made the ugly discovery that a major tradeoff was the signature of their femininity. They gave up or lost the opportunity to be a wife and a mother. Why weren't they smart enough to see that?

A new book by Sylvia Ann Hewlett, "Creating A Life," comes to the conclusion, after surveying nearly 1,200 high-achieving career women, that they missed life. One was quoted as saying "I forgot to have a child."

Forgot? Give me a break! Any woman who "forgets" so basic a part of the female psyche isn't smart enough to be considered a high achiever. Either that or today's standards aren't what they're cracked up to be.

Women always had to choose. The choice for career meant sacrificing the family role. And that is the key. Sacrifice. Women are supposed to have been liberated from sacrifice. They are supposed to be able to have and do it all. Except for the fact that it doesn't work.

The real tragedy of Hewlett's findings is the real, human loss to those women. By the time they realize the loss, they're too old biologically to have a child, and too old socially to find an appropriate man to marry. If she's been divorced or earns too much money, it's even harder.

As for the men, as the old saying goes, why buy the cow when the milk is free?

It makes you wonder who women's liberation really liberated?



Barbara Simpson, "The Babe in the Bunker" as she's known to her KSFO 560 radio talk-show audience in San Francisco, has a 20-year radio, television and newspaper career in the Bay Area and Los Angeles.



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To: Cowgirl
Of course one very annoying thing about them extremely extremely nice people, and both parents went to MIT too so I can't call them stupid either, but they were Dems.
61 posted on 04/22/2002 10:51:50 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
My sister and her now-husband shacked-up before marriage. She explained at first that they didn't want to get married because they just weren't sure about things yet. They had both been through bad marriages and wanted to "be careful."

After about eighteen months, my sister began whining to our mother and our other sisters (but not me--wonder why?) "I don't know why he doesn't want to get married. I don't know how much longer I can go on like this!"

Finally, after about three years she packed her bags and left. The next day, he called and proposed.

I should mention they just had their second baby boy, and look (so far at least) like they might beat the odds, since "shack-ups" before marriage typically are more likely to divorce since both parties look at the relationship tentatively.

The Moral: Whatever a woman says with WORDS is not nearly as relevant as what she says with her actions. And women reserve the right in every case, to change their minds.

62 posted on 04/23/2002 7:49:45 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Jim Scott
...shacking up with a woman is simply playing at marriage and committment...

This is where I think many of us "older generation" (i.e. older than Gens "X" and "Y") people get confused.

Most of these kids AREN'T playing at marriage and commitment at all. They don't want marriage and they don't want commitment.

True, after a time I think they begin to realize that maybe Six Thousand Years of human institutions might actually have some relevance in their lives, but from the beginning they're just out for sex without strings and companionship without obligation.

So, for weikel to figure it out he AND his shack-up honey are going to have to do some growing.

And believe me, that's not a given. We are a society that does not demand that much of people, and we are quite hospitable to perpetual adolescents.

63 posted on 04/23/2002 7:56:30 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Normally I would entirely agree with that point on women but Jackie has an extremely rare trait with women. She is blunt( not bossy or b***** thought despite being blunt). Normally I would fear marriage because you can lose half your stuff if the girl divorces you and basically I don't plan on getting married till I'm rich and can protect any assets with a prenup from being stolen via the no fault divorce law property splitting. But given that her family owns horses which makes me think they are loaded if she ever wanted marriage I'd have no objection.
64 posted on 04/23/2002 8:05:41 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Illbay
We are a society that does not demand that much of people, and we are quite hospitable to perpetual adolescents.

Astute observation but a sad commentary on our society.

Although many young adults may shun marriage and commitment, I believe that eventually the human need for a trustworthy, loving partner to fully share your life surfaces and the pointlessness of shacking up with no real purpose other than convenience starts to appear as empty and meaningless as it really is.

Unfortunately, that realization may come too late for many, especially women past 35 who now want a real, committed husband and a child or two, but find that they wasted their youth on foolish 'relationships' that left them feeling, somehow, used. Now, many middle aged men and women who stayed too long in an adolescent fairground of easy sex and diminished responsibility may find that the crowd has left them behind, the prizes won at the fair were junk and they were sold a lie.

Sad, but a necessary consequence of avoiding reality and playing teenager for ten or twenty years while telling yourself how 'free' you are. Bad choices will always catch up to us and serial shack-ups are a bad choice.

65 posted on 04/23/2002 8:13:07 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: weikel
I wonder how old you are.
66 posted on 04/23/2002 11:46:18 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Jim Scott
Everything you say is true but unfortunately since ours has become the minority opinion--or at least, since the majority who might share our opinion have become "silent" (in part because of ridicule by those who try to say you're "imposing your morality" simply by pointing out what has been the truth from the dawn of Man)--there is no real compelling interest for these people to grow up and realize that there is a greater good to be gained from one's individual conduct.

It just doesn't matter to society at large any more. We've become hard-core utilitarians. We consider that it is more important to have things, have money, have "freedom" than it is to do what is right.

When what is right is "inconvenient" it is tossed aside, and even labeled as "bad."

The real problem we have today with all these things is systemic. It isn't that there aren't good people doing the right thing--there are. It's just that whereas society used to agree on what was right (even if individual members didn't always live up to the ideal), now it doesn't. We've become overwhelmingly apathetic to the notion of doing what is right.

Worse, anyone who tries to assert that time-honored standards of good behavior are still important is derided, just as weikel did here earlier in the thread.

This bodes very ill for all of us, even those of us who ARE striving to live our lives in the right way, because the cumulative damage spreads around.

But finally, even when things become so unbelievably terrible, we continue to ignore it, just as after a brief period of introspection the nation went back to business and politics as usual in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

We have become a Whore of Babylon in this respect, and invariably there's going to be a terrible price to pay for all of us.

67 posted on 04/23/2002 1:30:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
It's just that whereas society used to agree on what was right (even if individual members didn't always live up to the ideal), now it doesn't.

I agree. What, if anything, can we do about this in a society that tends to hold values of freedom above all others?
68 posted on 04/23/2002 1:40:37 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Illbay
What you've described is secular humanism and moral relativity and yes, it's becoming the majority opinion because it's so tempting to do as you please and not have to answer to a generally accepted moral standard or even social norms. Most will want to follow this 'wide path' to destruction, as Jesus termed it. Hence, the 'shoving your morality down my throat' cry of the morally challenged. The accusation of: Judgemental! when one simply proposes that couples living together, having sex and 'playing house' is not good for either and will probably lead to future unhappiness. I tell them anyway, at risk of the defensive name-calling, which bothers me not at all.

One can only state the truth, as many do here on FR when these subjects arise, and live a life that is moral and honorable. In other words, fight the good fight, knowing that we may lose the battle but ultimately win the war.

As a Christian, this world is not my home, I'm only passing through, but what I do along that passage is vital and if I cannot change the world, at the least I can try to not make it any worse by my being here, and maybe even a bit better, if only in some small way. Sounds self-serving as I type it but still, what else does it come down to?

We all make choices in our lives. The choices many folks are making today are going to be destructive to their future happiness but as we're living in a humanist society now, little can be done about it but to warn, Cassandra-like, those who will not listen and so, go into that good night, never to rage against the dying of the moral light. (apologies to Dylan Thomas)

69 posted on 04/23/2002 1:54:12 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott
We all make choices in our lives. The choices many folks are making today are going to be destructive to their future happiness ....

So, is it better to deny happiness now only to be happy later, or to be happy now although that happiness may lead to unhappiness later?
70 posted on 04/23/2002 2:20:00 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Illbay
20 too young to get married anyway.
71 posted on 04/23/2002 2:48:29 PM PDT by weikel
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To: BikerNYC
So, is it better to deny happiness now only to be happy later, or to be happy now although that happiness may lead to unhappiness later?

That's not the only choice and it isn't always an either-or proposition.
Happiness is a very subjective term, anyway. If you equate happiness with shacking up because it's 'fun' and convenient, then find out later that you've really wasted your time and it wasn't all that great (fun), you've lost something (intangible) - forever. Virginity, trust -the abilty to give oneself completely - and the meaning of love beyond sex and temporary security are now lost. If one can be shown that temporary situations promising 'happiness' are not going to deliver any real reward, why would you want to bother chasing the them?

Unfortunately, our basic human nature tells us to grab the gusto and young people can't see past tomorrow, anyway, so the opportunity to adopt the current secular humanist attitude of no moral certainty is beyond tempting to most. They don't see the folly and don't even have to consider it when society tells them that nothing is 'wrong' if it makes you feel good. So they plunge into serial 'relationships' and sex becomes a social function with no deeper meaning than a handshake for many. This doesn't bring contentment and the relationships multiply over time, making the person more empty with each failed 'romance'. When the realization that one man - one wife actually works well, it's way too late to recover the past and difficult to secure the future, especially for women, the big losers in the no-morality-is-freedom game. I won't even explore the sadness and negative aspects of having children out of wedlock that often result from these shack-up situations.

So, the choice of being happy now or later is a false one in many cases. One can be happy simply waiting for and seeking the mate you'll have for life, without attempting to experience sex and living together to 'try it out'. It's all in the attitude. Not shacking up doesn't have to be a hardship. Unfortunately, many see it exactly that way and assume that if they're not having sex and/or living with someone by 22 or so, life is empty. To them, happiness is a warm body in bed with them. False assumption with probable negative consequences but one that many cling to and our society encourages. Waiting and staying chaste until marriage is considered foolish and a hardship. It isn't, but many will never know that, will they?

That's the tragedy and the choice between present and future happiness is not as simple as your question proposes. To wait and marry someone for love, not simply succumb to temporary lust and convenience is the best choice but easy sex and the loss of a social standard of acceptabilty of morality has made it appear a poor one. Our loss.

72 posted on 04/23/2002 3:01:55 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Illbay
I agree with you, and I don't think that there has ever been a period in history when women were less respected. People who have had many lovers are used up and worth nothing, be they men or women. And while some people might not mind; I'm not into swimming in dirty water.
73 posted on 04/23/2002 3:06:19 PM PDT by Aedammair
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To: kattracks
Barbara Simpson, "The Babe in the Bunker"

This is one smart lady. It's a crying shame that there is a drooling idiot newscaster with the same name.

74 posted on 04/23/2002 3:09:40 PM PDT by scouse
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To: weikel
I wonder: Do you consider yourself "very young" as I do?

After all: Every one of my children save my 12 year old is your age or older.

FWIW, I was married at twenty, and had three children by the time I was 25. I never considered myself "too young" to marry, although I admit I did make my share of mistakes attributable to my youth and immaturity.

But I grew.

I married because I was "in love," as in my world you married when you were that much "in love". It never occurred to me to shack up; we didn't even have sex until after we were hitched.

We had our trials, but we also had our blessings. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything, no matter how hard it was at times.

I feel supremely sad that my generation has by and large bequeathed such a s****y world to yours, and that we have been so remiss in our responsibility to model good behavior, and teach you what you need to know to be truly happy.

Instead, we've simply exploited you to see how much money we can get you to cough up for "stuff" that lumped all together, in show room condition with the price tags still attached, don't amount to DIRT for what truly makes a human life worth living.

I wish it could be different, and you could truly understand why what you are contemplating is in the long run not a good option for you, but unfortunately it looks as though you're going to have to make your mistakes and learn the hard way.

But I truly, sincerely wish you well. I hope that at some future time you will begin to realize that a life lived just for the sake of breathing, eating, sleeping, copulating and random consumption of "stuff" is not a life at all, and you will begin to ponder the broader issues, the bigger questions. At such a time it may be that you will turn your heart to God, to see what He might have in store for you.

I pray it might be so, and I wish you well.

75 posted on 04/23/2002 3:09:55 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: weikel
And lots of growing up to do it seems. Hey, earth to weikel: rather than bashing the feminazis, you should be thanking them. Without them you wouldn't have the cozy relationship you have going today. Shacking up wasn't too common and certainly wasn't acceptable prior to the women's movement. Sheesh...

You really ought to try to work on your writing skills. Your lack of skill in this area makes your already weak arguments look all the more so. Just some advice from someone who has been there and done that.

76 posted on 04/23/2002 3:23:39 PM PDT by Wphile
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To: Illbay
Happiness is ultimately in your mind. Marriage only really makes sense if you plan to have kids right away otherwise its just a pain in the *** and ussually just involves gambling with half your property. Its a legal contract about money, a buisness deal IMHO which hopefully guarantees children some support. Glad your marriage worked out but most today don't and the guy ussually gets screwed. Marrying "for love" without regard to practical considerations seems foolish too me( and personally I think arranged marriages work better if the data is objectively evaluated). That being said I would marry Jackie because "marrying up" takes care of practical considerations but she is just as cynical as I am( a logical unromantic chick will wonders never cease).
77 posted on 04/23/2002 3:26:32 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Wphile
I know my writing skills suck but I don't know exactly how to improve them( I suppose it may be possible but its more of a natural skill if I spend lots of time dissecting the style of great writers I might be able to do it). Also I think your confusing the feminist movement with the sexual revolution I would argue they were diffrent and often times mutually hostile. The feminazis did not like Helen Gurley Brown after all.
78 posted on 04/23/2002 3:34:44 PM PDT by weikel
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To: TwoHouse
Good for you! Glad it turned out right.

From the male perspective, I also value family and home life FAR more than I will ever value work - no matter how passionate I am about a job...family comes first. I have two prior employers who found that out the hard way.

As far as homelife is concerned, I would imagine everyone is in the same category I am, and that is:

I run my house,

exactly the way my wife tells me too.....

79 posted on 04/23/2002 3:40:31 PM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: weikel
Writing isn't a natural skill. Just reread some of your posts. You have runon sentence after runon sentence. Try using a few commas or perhaps a period. Maybe if you try rereading them out loud you will see how they sound. Good writing comes about because the words flow. When the words don't flow, as in runon sentences, the writing - not to mention the understanding by the reader - suffers.

Good writing is a discipline, just like anything else. It really doesn't take much time to proof your posts. Once you begin to recognize the errors in your writing, you may actually be able to prevent them from happening in your first draft. Just a wee bit of advice.

And no, I am not confusing feminism and the sexual revolution. I had to live through the era and believe me, I remember full well what they were telling us.

Finally, just how does a young man like you become so bloody cynical at such a young age?

80 posted on 04/23/2002 3:45:27 PM PDT by Wphile
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