Posted on 04/22/2002 2:43:14 AM PDT by kattracks
Edward Cardinal Egan's stand-in at St. Patrick's Cathedral pointedly blamed the priest sex abuse scandal yesterday on homosexuality, a "sex-saturated" society and a constant assault on celibacy by liberals.In a 15-minute homily from the most prominent Roman Catholic pulpit in the city, Msgr. Eugene Clark labeled the United States "probably the most immoral country" in the Western hemisphere. He also called homosexuality "a disorder" and said gay men shouldn't be allowed to become priests.
Clark, 76, a longtime key player and conservative voice in the Archdiocese of New York, delivered his stinging homily as Egan and other U.S. cardinals left for Rome to meet with the Pope about priestly pedophilia.
After preaching about forgiveness, Clark detailed reasons he believes some priests victimized children. He appeared to place most of the blame on homosexuality, saying the theory that people are born gay "is not true."
"The tendency to homosexuality is a disorder, not a sin," he said. "But the practice of homosexuality is truly sinful."
Some parishioners in the packed pews shifted uneasily, others nodded in agreement and a few walked out. But Clark continued, arguing that it was a "grave mistake" to allow gays in the priesthood. He blamed American society for being "very protective" of homosexuality.
"Homosexuality became in the American exchange of views a protected area," he said. "And unfortunately ... homosexual students were allowed to pass through seminaries. Grave mistake. Not because homosexuals in anyway tend to criminality, but because it is a disorder."
'The Most Immoral Country'
Clark also criticized what he called "the campaign of liberal America against celibacy."
He theorized that priests who have a tendency toward sexually abusing children a group he pegged at 3% of the nation's clergy were affected by a barrage of sinful images in society.
"Liberated sex is offered to people all day long, all evening long," he said. "There is nothing quite like it."
"We know we won't mention it outside the cathedral we are probably the most immoral country certainly in the Western hemisphere and maybe the larger circle because of the entertainment we suffer and what it's done to our [country's] morals ...," Clark said.
Christine Schubert of St. Paul dashed out of the cathedral midway through the homily. "I left because I realized I have no desire to be connected with the institution of the Catholic Church," said Schubert, 27. "I thought, wouldn't it be great if the entire church walked out?"
But few did. Most parishioners stayed, and many applauded Clark after his sermon.
Marianne Duddy, executive director of Dignity/USA, the nation's largest organization of gay Catholics, called Clark's comments linking the sex scandal with homosexuality "incredibly horrifying and irresponsible."
"This is a poor attempt to deflect attention away from the church's culpability for the sexual abuse of minors by priests and its attempt to cover it up for decades," she added.
But Catholic League President William Donohue praised Clark. "He makes a great deal of sense and to have this said so articulately by one of the brighter priests in the New York area is very encouraging," Donohue said.
"The internal problem in the church is a lack of governance and due to diligence," he added. "But there is no question about it this is a societywide problem that goes way beyond the Catholic Church."
With Gretchen E. Weber
Well, he said "probably". I'm sure there are a few other countries in the Western Hemisphere vying for the title.
- AGENDA FOR MEETING IN VATICAN WITH U.S. CARDINALS
VATICAN CITY, APR 22, 2002 (VIS) - Following is the agenda and the list of participants of the April 23-24 meeting in the Vatican between United States cardinals and members of the Roman Curia:
On April 23 and 24, in the Bologna Hall of the Apostolic Palace, there will be, as previously announced, an interdicasterial meeting with United States cardinals and with the presidency of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States.
The meeting follows talks that took place recently in the Vatican with representatives of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States, with a view to the assembly that this same episcopal conference will hold in Dallas from June 13 to 15.
The Holy Father will closely follow the work, compatible with his previously arranged appointments, including Wednesday morning's general audience.
The following will participate in the meeting:
1. Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State, President.
United States Cardinals:
2. Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, Archbishop of Boston.
3. Cardinal Roger Michael Mahony, Archbishop of Los Angeles.
4. Cardinal Anthony Joseph Bevilacqua, Archbishop of Philadelphia.
5. Cardinal William Henry Keeler, Archbishop of Baltimore.
6. Cardinal Adam Joseph Maida, Archbishop of Detroit.
7. Cardinal Francis Eugene George, Archbishop of Chicago.
8. Cardinal Theodore Edgar McCarrick, Archbishop of Washington.
9. Cardinal Edward Michael Egan, Archbishop of New York.
10. Cardinal James Aloysius Hickey, Archbishop emeritus di Washington.
11. Cardinal Avery Dulles.
Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States:
12. Bishop Wilton Daniel Gregory, President.
13. Bishop William Stephen Skylstad, Vice President.
14. Msgr. William P. Fay, secretary general.
United States Cardinals of the Curia:
15. Cardinal William Wakefield Baum, Archbishop emeritus of Washington, Major Penitentiary emeritus.
16. Cardinal Edmund Casimir Szoka, Archbishop emeritus of Detroit and President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State.
17. Cardinal James Francis Stafford, Archbishop emeritus of Denver and President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity.
Heads of Dicastery of the Roman Curia:
18. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
19. Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo, prefect of the Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.
20. Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops.
21. Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of Sacraments.
22. Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, prefect of the Congregation for Clergy.
23. Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski, prefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education.
24. Archbishop Julian Herranz, president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts.
The meetings will begin at 9:30 a.m. and will continue until 12:30 p.m. They will reconvene at 4:30 p.m. and end at 7:30 p.m., according to the following schedule:
Tuesday April 23
Opening prayer of Adsumus; Welcome by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State; Speech by the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops; Speeches by United States Cardinals, in order of diaconate; Speech by the Holy Father; Recitation of the Regina Coeli and conclusion of the morning sessions.
Speeches by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos and the heads of dicasteries; Resumption of speeches by United States Cardinals, and concluding prayer.Wednesday April 24
Prayer of Adsumus; Presentation of the proposals of the preceding day, by the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops; Open floor for discussion; Recitation of the Regina Coeli and conclusion of the morning sessions.Final meeting. OP/MEETING:US CARDINALS/... VIS 20020422 (550)
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The major reasons behind the laws making abortion illegal were advances in medicine and the feminism of the suffragettes. Up until the early 19th century most physicians and other people had no idea that unborn children were alive, before the so called 'quickening' in the fifth month, which had been interpreted as the beginning of life. Abortion was not feasible after that point, and the realization that the child was alive led the medical associations to forbid physicians to assist in abortions.I bet you didn't find this on the front page of the NYTimes. All the more reason to keep it handy.Early suffragettes, such as Susan B. Anthony, recognized that the function of abortion was to allow men to exploit women for sexual purposes, without consequences. The fact that this is true is still demonstrated by the fact that abortion is more supported by men than women in America today.
[A]bortion is more supported by men than women in America today.If this is really true, it's a major revelation.
St. Paul was celibate. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 19:12:
For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.
While celibacy is not doctrine but discipline, it has been practiced since the time of Jesus and the Apostles, and it has been required for more than 1,000 years.
Celibacy is not the problem. Homosexuality is the problem. The Pope has been addressing this issue for more than a decade in America, and the United States Bishops feared bad publicity more than the wrath of God. This is a serious problem, though not as widespread as the liberal, anti-Catholic media would like us to believe. The problem must be addressed and taken care of, our seminaries purged of leaders who promote homosexuals within their ranks.
And while this is a serious problem that must be dealt with, the Catholic Church still stands and will stand until the end of time because "the gates of Hell shall not prevail."
God bless.
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I believe what Msgr. Clark is doing is going to the root cause of the problem. He's not absolving the priests or bishops of their sins, but saying that until and unless we clean up the root cause, those kind of priests that do these things will still exist and find their way into the Church.
Of course there are other things we need to do, (like jail the offenders, change procedures in admitting men to the seminary, cooperate with the police, etc), but we still need to attend to the root cause of it all, and he is reiterating what that is.
I wish he would speak more from the heart.If he only had one. : )
The tendency is a disorder, the actual act itself is a sin.
The Msgr. is separating the sin from the sinner.
While celibacy is not doctrine but discipline, it has been practiced since the time of Jesus and the Apostles, and it has been required for more than 1,000 years.Celibacy was indeed practiced by Jesus, and there is evidence that those apostles who were married practiced continence. But the exclusively celibate diocesan priesthood stems no further back than the Council of Trent -- a little over 400 years.
Paul convened Vatican IIJohn XXIII convened Vatican II, not Paul VI.
Me: That's a typical chant of the left as they force their "morals" on everyone else. The difference is that their morals are all relative, whereas Christian morals are absolute as defined and revealed by God.
First off that is your opinion.
Which part are you referring to as being my opinion? That leftists talk about conservatives "forcing their morality on others"? That leftists are moral relativists? Or that Judeo-Christian morals are absolute?
but I will tell you because of our religion.. it doesn't mean we get to be arrogant that we are the SAVED! No it doesn't mean that we get to parade around in our salavation that we are better than everyone else.
I said no such thing, nor do I hold that position. However, there is an absolute Truth that the left avoids like the plague. I would agree that teaching and understanding eternal truths is the optimal and ultimate way to spread the Truth, but one must fight against the blatant lies and deception of the left. "All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
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