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Red-font added for emphasis. Mr. Lucas, astute student of history that he is, has a far better grasp of reality than do most politicians inside the beltway.
1 posted on 04/21/2002 7:46:09 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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2 posted on 04/21/2002 7:49:51 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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The American system is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. A democracy, if you attach meaning to terms, is a system of unlimited majority rule; the classic example is ancient Athens. And the symbol of it is the fate of Socrates, who was put to death legally, because the majority didn't like what he was saying, although he had initiated no force and had violated no one's rights.

Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom....

The American system is a constitutionally limited republic, restricted to the protectrion of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights.

--Leonard Peikfoff

4 posted on 04/21/2002 7:56:16 AM PDT by snopercod
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This was the same guy that said Clinton was basically a well meaning individual facing "baseless accusations of corruption" from the eevil Trade Federation Republicans. Don't take this stuff too seriously. Am I worried about our civil liberties going down the drain? Yes, but I go to the movies to forget about stuff like that for a while.
5 posted on 04/21/2002 7:58:46 AM PDT by dr_who
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This country has been a Bureaucratic Dictatorship for quite a few decades now.
10 posted on 04/21/2002 8:05:36 AM PDT by sinclair
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"The people give their democracy to a dictator, whether it's Julius Caesar or Napoleon or Adolf Hitler"

Or perhaps Bill Clinton.

13 posted on 04/21/2002 8:09:59 AM PDT by bert
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Yes, and he's absolutely right...but he hasn't taken the additional step along this realization. Have you?

A government must be strictly *LIMITED* to prevent it from becoming tyrannical, whether it's a democracy or a monarchy.

Something of which the Anti-Federalists had an intuitive grasp and the Federalists sought to appease.
19 posted on 04/21/2002 8:22:27 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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George Lucas: What a political dip-sh-t.
22 posted on 04/21/2002 8:27:12 AM PDT by aruanan
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George Lucas has been accused of being a fascist at heart. I think I might agree.

In Star Wars, you had the choice of Annakin or his son. Those are the two sides that all the peons had to go with. They had no choice. Oh well.

Annakin (Vader) murders 6 billion people, including obliterating planets, Yoda and Obi Wan flat out lie to Luke about who his dad is, then after committing atrocities that would make Hitler blush, Vader kills his boss, and becomes bathed in white light and is a good guy again. Excuse me?

So, if Hitler rescued his nephew from a mortar attack right before the end in 45 he would have been swell too?

So, then we get to Episode 1... We have a guy 10 times worse than Hitler portrayed as a child saying such deep dialogue as "Yippee!!!!!", while hanging around with Jar Jar Binks.

Yet, we are to be shocked when Howard the Duck, and Radio Land Murders don't do well at the box office for Lucas. Star Wars was a fluke. Lucas sucks.

26 posted on 04/21/2002 8:36:31 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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Lucas is a leftist, period. He himself says that in the very Time article you are referencing. My guess is his current problem with "democracy" has more to do with who is in the White House. Like most Hollywood liberals and leftists in general, they are all for the taking away of rights when it is THEIR guys in power. When they perceive a political opponent is in charge, they all of a sudden become champions of limited government.
27 posted on 04/21/2002 8:36:39 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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Mr. Lucas is a revisionist.....

Word on the street is that he's re-editing the orginal trilogy with newly filmed footage so it will meld with Episodes 1-3. And note that the PHANTOM MENACE DVD is different from the one that played in movie theatres.

I never cared much for revisionists.

28 posted on 04/21/2002 8:38:08 AM PDT by Hazzardgate
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"Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader: 'Because he gets attached to things...He can't let go of his mother...his girlfriend...things.'... 'My [adopted] kids don't have a perfect life... they don't have a mother, and they just have to get over it.'"

Ah, yes, now I understand the deep moral vision that infuses Lucas' movies. People are "things," and the desire to acquire these "things" (by, say, adopting children into a motherless home) is part of man's base nature that the pure of heart rise above. The noblest emotion is thus indifference.

Star Wars was an outstanding remake of The Hidden Fortress. The further Lucas has gotten from Kurosawa's source material, the worse his movies have gotten. He's a brilliant cinematographer, a mediocre storyteller and, as shown in this interview, a moronic philospher. Looking to him for wisdom of the ages is ridiculous.

30 posted on 04/21/2002 8:43:38 AM PDT by Fabozz
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"All democracies turn into dictatorships--but not by coup. The people give their democracy to a dictator, whether it's Julius Caesar or Napoleon or Adolf Hitler.

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This seems to be the historical tendency. It's happening here as the constitution is deconstructed.

33 posted on 04/21/2002 8:47:05 AM PDT by RLK
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I'm not too sure about Lucas' political leanings myself, but he is DEAD ON with this quote. I do, however, remember his statement about Clinton being "well-intentioned."

Anyway, I've always been a big Star Wars fan. I never noticed the political message of Star Wars until my later years, but it IS there - and whether he's a liberal or not - it's a reminder to all of us how easily governments can obtain absolute power. Once the whole SW saga is completed, I'm sure it will illustrate the decline from republic to empire well.

37 posted on 04/21/2002 8:59:26 AM PDT by pocat
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Imagine John Lennon without possessions... It's easy if you try...

38 posted on 04/21/2002 9:07:21 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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Mature societies tend to oscillate slowly between the imperial and baronial forms of government. One of the barons will gain power over the others, usually with popular support, and form a line of emperors. The problems with succession planning eventually cause the line to dissapate and power to flow back to the barons.

Democracy is an anomaly, and it requires either a low population density, plentiful resource environment (e.g. the US) or a catastrophe which disrupts the old power structures (e.g. WW I and II).

41 posted on 04/21/2002 9:16:04 AM PDT by Lessismore
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I believe it was the philosopher Plato who wrote, "Republics decline into democracies and democracies into dictatorships."

That having been said, I enjoyed The Phantom Menace, even Jar-Jar, and from the trailers of the new one, it appears that I shall enjoy that one also.

43 posted on 04/21/2002 9:45:30 AM PDT by tal hajus
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I think Lucas and the author of the article been spending too much time with John McLame.
45 posted on 04/21/2002 10:01:24 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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Good thing that some patriotic galactic citizens did'nt turn in their weapons and formed a core group that manged to rebel against the Evil Empire.
50 posted on 04/21/2002 10:53:49 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
--W. B. Yeats

And "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Somewhat better turns of phrase than Lucas, but then what did we expect?

--Boris

51 posted on 04/21/2002 11:03:55 AM PDT by boris
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It's sort of a false version of history to imply that Rome elected Ceasar and that was it. First of all, a very corrupt Senate elected the Emperor so Ceasar was elected in a derivative fashion out of fear because the army was loyal to him. He was not truly elected by the people.

I also believe Rome survived for hundreds of years after Caesar's murder and prospered greatly. I don't know how any analogy of Rome would relate to America. It was totally different.

I suppose there are a few lessons from Rome we could apply, but again America is very different from what Rome once was.

54 posted on 04/21/2002 11:42:49 AM PDT by Brett66
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