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Why Elitists Dump on the South
NEWSMAX ^ | 4/19/02

Posted on 04/19/2002 12:24:19 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

To preserve its illusion of national innocence, the United States projects its "dark" side onto the South, a Penn State geographer says.

For 10 years after his graduation from college, David R. Jansson worked in university towns – Boston; Ithaca, N.Y.; Madison, Wis.; Berkeley, Calif. – that deemed themselves "progressive" and "enlightened," i.e., left wing.

"These places had their differences," he told United Press International in a phone interview, "but one of the things I could count on was a common conception of the South, largely among people who had never been there but who had very consistent ideas about what the South meant and what it stood for. This was the standard list of negative characteristics and stereotypes."

Jansson enumerated those attributed traits in a presentation to the 98th annual meeting of Association of American Geographers in Los Angeles last month. He said that in American national discourse, "the South tends to be represented as violent, racist, poor, intolerant, xenophobic, and dim-witted, among other things."

This Bigotry Is P.C.

He told UPI that during the decade he worked before beginning graduate studies, he found that people indulged in one of the last forms of bigotry acceptable in polite society. Those who wouldn't dream of mocking other groups were comfortable making jokes about white Southerners.

Representing the South as backward endows America as a whole with the opposite qualities, he said. The vices associated by knee-jerk reaction with the South "become spatialized" and are held to be uncharacteristic of the nation.

By this means, the United States can claim to stand for the exalted principles of the Enlightenment unblemished by skeletons in its own closet. American history, Jansson told the geographers, then can be seen as "unceasing progress and selfless efforts to improve the lot of all humanity."

Southerners are often accused of being stuck in the past, but this comes in part from an external assignment from the rest of America to act as its foil, Jansson said.

Partners in Slavery

The American legend of innocence is built upon a shaky foundation, Jansson said. "Thus slavery is cast in Southern terms when it was more of a national experience than is generally acknowledged."

Citing an essay by Dan Georgakas in the 1998 book "The Meaning of Slavery in the North," Jansson told the geographers: "While most Americans have chosen to think of slavery as a regional aberration than a national phenomenon, in reality the so-called free states of the North were full partners in the viability of the slave society of the South."

Jansson said that University of Kentucky historian Joanne Pope Melish, in her 1998 book "Disowning Slavery," argues that the mythology of a free New England remains potent in academia as it does in American society as a whole. But Melish shows how even otherwise careful historians tend to date the end of slavery in the North earlier than its demise.

In his presentation, Jansson reviewed some of the salient thoughts of C. Vann Woodward (1908-1999), the eminent Yale historian of the South. Woodward's landmark work, "The Mind of the South," was published in 1969, at the height of the Vietnam War.

Jansson said Woodward viewed Southern history not as the stories in dusty old library volumes, but rather as the collective experience in which the Southern people find their distinctiveness.

"This history includes Southern poverty in the face of American abundance," Jansson said. In 1969 the United States had never "lost" a war, but the Confederacy had been defeated and occupied. Dealing with tragedy had set the South apart. The myths of innocence, omniscience and "social felicity" were not operating assumptions in Dixie.

Woodward argued that America needed the sobering influence of Southern history, "a heritage that is far more closely in line with the common lot of mankind than the national legends of opulence and success and innocence."

But Jansson concluded his presentation with the observation that the United States, even with the reverses it has suffered since 1969, remained resistant to Woodward's message. "In fact, the chasm that separates the history of America from the history of the South cannot be crossed without causing a rupture in the American national identity," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: culture; dixielist; south
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To: wardaddy
You could left Woodrow off that list homeboy.

Point was, Virginia has given eight U.S. Presidents, seven of them good ones. I think that's still the record.

Wilson was probably okay until he went to New Jersey...

81 posted on 04/20/2002 4:35:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Ditto
I think jealousy has a lot to do with it. In spite of massive endowments in Ivy League Northeastern Universities, public universities in the South still shine brightly.
82 posted on 04/20/2002 4:50:53 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I took a business trip to Louisville, Kentucky earlier this year. I was there for 10 days and got to see a pretty good bit of the town and the countryside. The many southerners that I dealt with were a hell of a lot nicer than the north easterners that I've dealt with. They didn't care that I don't have a southern accent. When I was over by Mammoth Cave National Park, I had to knock on a few doors for directions. Nobody threatened to blow my head off for stepping foot on their property or any of the other 1000 stereotypes. Quite the opposite happened, actually. I got treated well by everybody I met, so I think it sucks that the supposed intellectual strongholds dump on southerners and talk about them like they're a bunch of violent retards. So much for that liberal peace, love, and tolerance that they spew all the time. To them, the rules only apply to other people.
83 posted on 04/21/2002 10:04:18 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In my southern town I invariably run into snot-nose punk northern college kids living on Daddy's credit cards dissing the South with every other word being m***f*** and G** d***. A real enlightened bunch.
85 posted on 04/22/2002 1:08:49 AM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: Corin Stormhands
Georgia gave the country President Bush!!! So did Alabama! About 30 years ago my husband was transferred to CT, then to PA and then to MA for a two year training assignment. It was unbelievable the impression the people we met in these states had of us. It was good to get back home.
86 posted on 04/22/2002 1:19:30 AM PDT by sibb1213
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To: dead
Oh we probably mentally do but we are too polite to let you know it. (LOL)
87 posted on 04/22/2002 1:24:58 AM PDT by sibb1213
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To: Ditto
LBJ hated the name Kennedy. Keep in mind that LBJ was first and foremost an FDR New Dealer because as a Southern Democrat he absolutely loved pork.

Having been born in '63, I was too young to remember LBJ, other than remembering my parents being happy that he was out of office. I read a little more about him later. Can you tell me, if you can, why on earth JFK had him as a running mate in the first place? Was it to get the FDR fans aboard for the vote? If LBJ so hated Kennedy, why did he join the ticket?

Thanks for the little histoy lesson in advance. I wouldn't trust my high school's revisionist theory on it (that is, if I could remember it).

88 posted on 04/22/2002 1:44:26 AM PDT by kstewskis
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To: nopardons
What most here forget, is that MOST New Yorkers are transplants ; not natives. The rudest people, are the newcommers. Real, born and bred new Yorkers are friendly, helpful, and won't give you wrong directions.

The same can certainly be said for Californians. Native Californians once upon a time had the reputation of being laid back, down to earth and pretty friendly. Actually the natives still do, but it's the majority of the transplants (and their offspring) that have become rude and obnoxious. California used to be conservative (remember "Reagan Country?") but the rude, arrogant and obnoxious liberals totally infested the state, and now it is a huge dump. (gee, imagine that).

Once, a long time ago, California had a reputation of having the most courteous drivers in the country. Uh uh, no more. They all drive like freaks now. And they have had freeway shootings now, that was totally unheard of when I was learning to drive in the late 70's.

So I finally escaped California about 10 years ago to a nearby (conservative) state, because I loved all the people here. They were nice, friendly, and down to earth. 10 years later, it's slowly getting rude, obnoxious, along with the rude drivers and more and more vocal arrogant liberal attitudes!

(Help!!)

89 posted on 04/22/2002 2:03:40 AM PDT by kstewskis
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To: kstewskis
Yes, I know you're right and I also know that it is far worse than useless, to try to get the regonalists here to stop Balkanizing FR. It's bad enough that the damned Dems have Balkanized the nation; ut when supposed Conservatives do it on a Conservative forum ... that is just too bloody much to take ! If the Southerners here, don't want to be looked down upon, then they'd best stop hamering away at how dreadful they rest of us are, when NONE of us has " put then down " / looked down on them, to begin with.

Soon, there isn't going to be any place left to go. You have my condoleneces.

90 posted on 04/22/2002 2:24:13 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: kstewskis
Can you tell me, if you can, why on earth JFK had him as a running mate in the first place? Was it to get the FDR fans aboard for the vote? If LBJ so hated Kennedy, why did he join the ticket?

Kennedy was Catholic and a Democrat. To win, he needed at least a few Southern States and Texas was the biggest of those. LBJ the protestant southern master politician (Senate Majority Leader) along with fellow Texan, Sam Rayburn the speaker of the House were the most powerful men in Washington. By picking LBJ, who was his biggest competitor for the Democrat nomination, he eased fears of a Yankee "Papist" in the White House and gained support of the Southern Democrat insiders. LBJ joined the ticket because he wanted to be President and saw the VP slot as a stepping-stone to get a following outside the south.

91 posted on 04/22/2002 5:17:53 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: JeffersonDavis
Great list - one more to add....

The great Southron and son of Alabama, FSU Coach Bobby Bowden!

92 posted on 04/22/2002 5:46:12 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, no, you don't get the idea. The dissimilarity among those you listed makes the point. If you still don't get it, tell me: How would you define and characterize "northern" literature?
93 posted on 04/22/2002 7:03:35 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: warchild9
When you mention to them that nearby Durham, which is heavily black, has some better housing values than this over-priced place, they have shiver fits.

I found my job first, my church second, and my home third in the process of relocating my family to Durham from Central Virginia. For me, a proud legacy of black achievement makes Durham a great place. People just seem to be friendlier, down here, across the ethnic divide. We have acquired more good friends of other ethnicities here, in two years, than we were able to collect in 20 years in Virginia.

(Of course, Roanoke VA is more of a rust-belt industrial city accidently stranded in the South.)

94 posted on 04/22/2002 7:19:35 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: Ditto
Klintoon, like his predecessor Johnson, was well known as a corrupt crook with no hesitation in "Fostering" perceived threats. Klintoon, like many "leftists", was as sincere as a two dollar prostitute. His only desire was power at any price, and the lies of the left were an attractive vehicle, nothing more.

Carter was a well meaning, ineffectual boob.

The northeast has more mushy headed idiots who actually believe leftest ideology. Unfortunately, the south is catching up as we subsidize those who are "yearning to eat free".

95 posted on 04/22/2002 7:20:33 AM PDT by jimt
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To: uncbob
so what? they vote demo every election, and this is why they have gotten what they have. tell bubba and aunt bee to stop voting demo and things will change, somewhat. but, they wont. the south will rise again....as a socialist monstrosity voted in by its narrow minded folks. the radical repubs were gone over 100 yrs ago. if you tell the blacks to get over it, they why havent y'aal.
96 posted on 04/22/2002 7:23:09 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: jimt
Carter was a well meaning, ineffectual boob.

You got the last part right. I'll have to disagree with the first, and his generally vindictive attitude toward this country's interests since being booted from office tells me his Christianity is more on his sleeve than in his heart. Former POTUS's don't publicly dump on the incumbent in times of war or crisis as Carter has done several times. You offer to help if you can, but other than that, you keep your mouth shut. Jimmy Carter is a petty little man with a giant chip on his shoulder.

97 posted on 04/22/2002 7:40:58 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto, jimt
Years ago, Lewis Lapham of Harper's mag wrote a devastating review of Carter's White House memoir "Keeping Faith" that has since been anthologized in an essay collection called "Orthodoxy". Reading the quotes with which Lapham peppered his review, Carter comes off sounding like a cub scout on his first (and only) trip to summer camp.
98 posted on 04/22/2002 10:15:22 AM PDT by Middle Man
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The Newsmax columnist has since fixed the error about who authored "The Mind Of The South".
99 posted on 04/22/2002 10:18:59 AM PDT by Middle Man
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To: Ditto
. LBJ joined the ticket because he wanted to be President and saw the VP slot as a stepping-stone to get a following outside the south.

Ah ha. Thanks Ditto! Makes a lot of sense. Kinda makes you wonder just *how bad* LBJ wanted the White House, but I guess that's for the conspirator theorists to ponder through. ;-)

100 posted on 04/22/2002 10:19:23 PM PDT by kstewskis
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